Who to blame for Panthers' last ranked D

[IamSoClutch]

From 2nd to last. Has got to be hardy. after that is our weak as safeties

[SZ James (banned)]

We have only been in the top half of the NfL one year during rivera's tenure, is that right?

[Jimmy]

Yeah this sucks

[pantherj]

We downgraded the secondary by choice, and downgraded the d-line thanks to Hardy, so of course there was huge drop off in play. Being rock bottom I think has to do with the offense being the worst we've had since 2010.

[bandu]

we aint gotta enough blue gooses and hog mollies yet and its all Hurneys fault,period......

[KillaCamNewton]

We replaced hungry, young, playmakers in our secondary and replaced them with washed up old men playing for retirement checks. For whatever flaws Captain and Mitchell had, they made up for it by playing with an edge and bringing it every play. Obviously the lack of pass rush with Hardy gone hurts too

[Billy Love]

You blame the entire defense. Some players, some units deserve more blame than others. However, the entire defense is to blame for going from the penthouse to the shithouse.

[cbully]

a tired and winded defense.... wonder why they are...smh

[pantherclaw]

Pass rush.

We have none.

We lost our best pass rusher - Hardy

CJ isn't as productive without Hardy on the other side.

Lost our best backup/rotational guy with frank Alexander being suspended.

Two key cogs that nobody expected not to be playing.

If the FO truly don't intend to keep Hardy, they better find someone to replace him.

There isn't a player on the roster that will.

[Marguide]

Who are some of the players you had in mind that would take the one year/two/three year deals adding up to 13 million in gauranteed money?

 

 

I've seen this argument on here before and it's not really correct.

 

If they were all 1 year deals, then yes, we could have truly only spent $13 million. But there's nothing saying we can't sign guys to 2, 3, 4 or 5 year deals if they are players we want. That same $13 million goes a long way with multi-year deals.

 

And before everyone starts screaming "Yeah, that's what Hurney did and look what that got us", the problem wasn't signing people to multi-years deals. It was signing the wrong people and/or overpaying them.

 

Gettleman's strength is supposed to be scouting and player evaluation. If he doesn't have confidence enough to sign anyone to a multi-year deal then we're in trouble.

[uncfan888]

Missed opportunities

[TheRumGone]

I've seen this argument on here before and it's not really correct.

If they were all 1 year deals, then yes, we could have truly only spent $13 million. But there's nothing saying we can't sign guys to 2, 3, 4 or 5 year deals if they are players we want. That same $13 million goes a long way with multi-year deals.

And before everyone starts screaming "Yeah, that's what Hurney did and look what that got us", the problem wasn't signing people to multi-years deals. It was signing the wrong people and/or overpaying them.

Gettleman's strength is supposed to be scouting and player evaluation. If he doesn't have confidence enough to sign anyone to a multi-year deal then we're in trouble.

I don't think that's the problem. I think he's trying get all the dead cap removed from the team to sign his drafted players long term including cam and luke. From my understanding of your post you're meaning backload the contracts? We signed some players to two year deals but with very little gauranteed money. If you look at the market this year there were not a lot of quality players to sign that fit into that long term plan. Talent doesn't grow on trees and affordable talent that doesn't fug us in the future either. Collins is a name that gets thrown out a lot for OT. Bucs just paid him 15 million gauranteed and he sucks. Mikel was a top five safety the year before we signed him to that cheap deal. There was not talent at that price this year.

I would like to know names of players people were interested in that could got with out long term goals. Not because derp you're an idiot but because I lack knowledge of those players.

I think dg saw hardy as a bridge. Massive talent that could help mask a weak secondary. Which is cost saving in and of itself and also because the market didn't privide us with what we were looking for. Hardy would have allowed us to stay competitive. I truly believe that.

Offensive side I would like to know line players that wouldn't lock us in long term and were better options. The tackles that I saw were getting outrageous gauranteed money for completely average to below average players.

[The Huddler]

wow a great D is what made me tolerate Rivera. GTFO!!

[beastson]

Defense must stay rested.