Still in for Rivera~

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I realize that I am no doubt in the minority for still believing in this coach.  I won't even say I am the 'silent majority'...but I believe in Ron.

 

Here is why:

I don't know if the play calling is his fault or Shula.  It seems to me that this is a critical area that needs to be better addressed.

Alot (everyone?) has jumped on him for his handling of playing for a field goal.  I will watch the game again - but what I saw was:

            A kicker that hasnt missed under 50 yards.  Close to automatic as you get.  Why NOT trust your kicker?

            As Cam says...hindsight is 50-50...     Anyway...I didnt mind the play calling.  I think he would have been flambeyyed (s?) if they threw a pass and it was intercepted.

 

I remember last year.  Very well.  Many fans (right here) wasnt happy with Ron and the same old witch hunt was on until they started winning.  I refuse to believe he is not the same guy.

 

Consider- consider what we all know.  Handcuffed by the cap, poor play, injuries, and a thug getting paid doing nothing for you..how would any of us play the hand dealt to Ron?

 

I am all about the blame game and wow -there is alot to go around.  Oline, Shula...Gettleman to an extent (misfires on who he brought in this time...)...Cam (love him....but he hasnt been the same this year...Shula's fault?)

 

Anyway- I don't want Ron's head.  I think he can lead us to where we all want to go.

 

(nerd alert...this makes me want to say "I believe in Harvey Dent".../shrug).

-Cat

 

 

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[Marguide]

You go, Fanboy !!!

Rivera chose to run to the left hash on 3rd and 5 to set-up his kicker where his kicker wanted to be set-up. 46 is not "automatic" for Gano at that distance, but the odds were strongly in his favor. And guess what, regardless of what some people may believe, the running play could have succeeded.

Some will forget that Rivera's QB has been sacked or intercepted on fully 12% of his pass attempts this season....

What % of Gano's attempts of 45+ yards were unsuccessful this year?

 

Edit: Just checked, and he has missed over 18% of his field goals this year. Which event had a greater likelihood of having a non-negative outcome?

[Cat Fanboy]

Graham Gano missed between 40-49 yards earlier in the season and missed between 40-49 2 times last year.

It is not anywhere close to being automatic. It was a moronic decision. I don't know how anyone can defend it.

 

 

I understand - but I thought during the broadcast that Gano had made 25 in a row under 50 yards.  No - it isn't automatic but I thought it a good enough stat to go by.

 

I agree with Shula play calling - I am shaking my head at some of the third down play calls.  I also agree with a previous post on how Avant has been used.  As head coach Rivera wears the hat and is responsible.

 

But think of your own jobs- say you are an IT tech guy and the equipment you have to support for operations team is old, breaks down, you have no budget, there is crap replacements..i don't know - it just seems unfairly in my opinion to want him fired after the huge success last year.

[Udogg]

Im looking at it like this.  If you take out last year.  If 2011,2012, and 2014 were Ron's first 3 years of coaching, then he wouldn't have made it pass the Green Bay game.

 

Everyone is blaming Shula but looking at the coaching decisions I think he is a reflection of the coaching.  It's almost like scoring is bad unless you do it off a long time consuming drive.  I love the TOP type of football, but you have to be willing to change and adapt depending on the coverage/team you are playing.

 

 

[WhoAmI?]

I realize that I am no doubt in the minority for still believing in this coach.  I won't even say I am the 'silent majority'...but I believe in Ron.

 

Here is why:

I don't know if the play calling is his fault or Shula.  It seems to me that this is a critical area that needs to be better addressed.

Alot (everyone?) has jumped on him for his handling of playing for a field goal.  I will watch the game again - but what I saw was:

            A kicker that hasnt missed under 50 yards.  Close to automatic as you get.  Why NOT trust your kicker?

            As Cam says...hindsight is 50-50...     Anyway...I didnt mind the play calling.  I think he would have been flambeyyed (s?) if they threw a pass and it was intercepted.

 

I remember last year.  Very well.  Many fans (right here) wasnt happy with Ron and the same old witch hunt was on until they started winning.  I refuse to believe he is not the same guy.

 

Consider- consider what we all know.  Handcuffed by the cap, poor play, injuries, and a thug getting paid doing nothing for you..how would any of us play the hand dealt to Ron?

 

I am all about the blame game and wow -there is alot to go around.  Oline, Shula...Gettleman to an extent (misfires on who he brought in this time...)...Cam (love him....but he hasnt been the same this year...Shula's fault?)

 

Anyway- I don't want Ron's head.  I think he can lead us to where we all want to go.

 

(nerd alert...this makes me want to say "I believe in Harvey Dent".../shrug).

-Cat

 

There is just so much wrong with your statements. First of all, you say that you refuse to believe he is not the same guy from last year when 85% of his tenure here has been what we are witnessing now and the other 15% was a fluke. And you keep blaming Shula when Rivera was the dumbass to promote him anyway. You back up his decision to run it three straight times up the middle when all we have seen in the past is us losing in the last seconds because of his p*ssy decisions. He is simply not a good coach. Never makes adjustments, sticks with the status quo, horrible at evaluating talent, never plays his best players, hypocritical, etc.

 

[Bj-Monster23]

I realize that I am no doubt in the minority for still believing in this coach. I won't even say I am the 'silent majority'...but I believe in Ron.

Here is why:

I don't know if the play calling is his fault or Shula. It seems to me that this is a critical area that needs to be better addressed.

Alot (everyone?) has jumped on him for his handling of playing for a field goal. I will watch the game again - but what I saw was:

A kicker that hasnt missed under 50 yards. Close to automatic as you get. Why NOT trust your kicker?

As Cam says...hindsight is 50-50... Anyway...I didnt mind the play calling. I think he would have been flambeyyed (s?) if they threw a pass and it was intercepted.

I remember last year. Very well. Many fans (right here) wasnt happy with Ron and the same old witch hunt was on until they started winning. I refuse to believe he is not the same guy.

Consider- consider what we all know. Handcuffed by the cap, poor play, injuries, and a thug getting paid doing nothing for you..how would any of us play the hand dealt to Ron?

I am all about the blame game and wow -there is alot to go around. Oline, Shula...Gettleman to an extent (misfires on who he brought in this time...)...Cam (love him....but he hasnt been the same this year...Shula's fault?)

Anyway- I don't want Ron's head. I think he can lead us to where we all want to go.

(nerd alert...this makes me want to say "I believe in Harvey Dent".../shrug).

-Cat

You refused to believe he is the same guy? Unfortunately for us he is still the same guy. He is the same guy that coach the most conservative football in critical moments in a game. He is still the same guy that had one winning season out of three. Don't get me wrong Rivera doesn't deserve the entire blame for this season but he does deserve a lot of it. At the end of the day, he is still the same Ron Rivera looking lost most of the time. He deserves to be let go because I have seen enough from him in 4 yrs to know he won't be the guy leading us to the Super Bowl.

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[cbully]

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

nooo i just want him gone. As long as he is here cam will be under utilized snd wasted.

Why pay for a dynamic, good qb when all you need is a game maneger. In my mind its between Cam and Rivera.

**** outa here rivera

Yeah but you were all for giving Roman Harper your undying support...

[TonyN]

What % of Gano's attempts of 45+ yards have been unsuccessful this year?

 

Prior to Sundays miss, Gano was 5 of 6 from 40-49 yards this season.

[Bj-Monster23]

You sit on a lead if your up two scores. You can't shut down your offense like he does and put it on your defense. You've got to score points in today's NFL. The game has changed. That brand of football will get you beat. Much too conservative.

He could save his job if he gets a competent OC but unless he's made to do so I see more of the same

He is not going to get a competent OC because he is the one that hired Shula. I don't think any OC in their right mind would want to come here with a coach like Ron Rivera is on the hot seat season in and season out. If Shula gets let go Ron Rivera needs to follow because he hired him. He was just too conservative as always to branch out and get someone who can be creative and help develop Cam. He stuck to what he knew and it backfired and more then likely if things don't change it's going to cost him his job. Watch and see...

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[LinvilleGorge]

Prior to Sundays miss, Gano was 5 of 6 from 40-49 yards this season.

Even if Ron's plan had worked out and Gano had made the kick you're still giving the ball back to Atlanta with almost 90 seconds on the clock and a FG can beat you.

Hmmm... that scenario seems eerily familiar. Rivera hasn't learned poo. He only coached more aggressive last year because he knew his ass was on the hot seat. With an extention in his pocket he went right back to his old self.

[Marguide]

Prior to Sundays miss, Gano was 5 of 6 from 40-49 yards this season.

 

So that means he's missed on 16.7% of his attempts from 40 to 49 yards. In my book, that is a greater number than the 12% you cite as the likelihood of a negative play with Newton dropping back.

 

Also consider that kickers are more likely to miss from 46 than 40, so the odds are even more unequal. As a matter of fact, Gano's miss rate overall this year is 18.2 %.

 

How telling is it that you try to gloss over his success % by citing the number 5 out of 6...that is classic TonyN.

[TonyN]

Even if Ron's plan had worked out and Gano had made the kick you're still giving the ball back to Atlanta with almost 90 seconds on the clock and a FG can beat you.

Hmmm... that scenario seems eerily familiar. Rivera hasn't learned poo. He only coached more aggressive last year because he knew his ass was on the hot seat. With an extention in his pocket he went right back to his old self.

 

82 seconds with no timeouts is tough...even if your kicker is Matt Bryant.

[LinvilleGorge]

82 seconds with no timeouts is tough...even if your kicker is Matt Bryant.

Tough, but far from impossible, especially with Roman Harper fully able to fill in for the role of Nakamura. Get a first down and you're making it much easier on your kicker and leaving them no time to answer. Riverboat is dead. Passive Ron is back and he's here to stay. I don't want a coach who you have to be constantly threatening to fire in order to make him actually try to win games instead of trying to avoid losing them.