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stirs Grand Master

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So what you're saying is to take a Rd 2 OT in the top 5 rather than the top Safety?  I disagree.

 

 

You attribute a dumb statement to someone and then disagree with it?  Cutting edge there.

 

I wouldn't want to take a RD 2 anything in round 1 much less the top 5.  Who would?

 

I just said that if it came down to choosing between a top DE or Safety, I would always fall on the trench guy as my choice until my lines were fixed and operating at a high level

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You attribute a dumb statement to someone and then disagree with it?  Cutting edge there.

 

I wouldn't want to take a RD 2 anything in round 1 much less the top 5.  Who would?

 

I just said that if it came down to choosing between a top DE or Safety, I would always fall on the trench guy as my choice until my lines were fixed and operating at a high level

 

I wasn't trying to be combative, but you were sticking to that OT point despite it being said a few times "if no OT worth it that high is available".  That's where I got the impression you were saying reach for an OT regardless of anything.  You didn't say anything about a DE, made the comment about the QB being on his ass.  Apologies if you felt I was attacking you or being condescending.

 

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stirs Grand Master

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I wasn't trying to be combative, but you were sticking to that OT point despite it being said a few times "if no OT worth it that high is available".  That's where I got the impression you were saying reach for an OT regardless of anything.  You didn't say anything about a DE, made the comment about the QB being on his ass.  Apologies if you felt I was attacking you or being condescending.

 

 

No worries, guess I have spent too much time in the TBox where all people do is attack, haha.

 

Sometimes my brain goes much faster than my fingers and I don't get everything down that I mean to convey.

 

My main thing in watching football for 40+ years, is seeing the teams that control the line of scrimmage have a better chance in every game and amass more championships. 

 

If your Oline is suspect, you have the situation we are in this season where your QB and RBs and WR's are ineffective.  IF the Dline is intact, like last season, you can have a lesser secondary and still get good results.

 

Having great players at each position would be ideal, but having great players in the backfield or secondary when the lines are not first solidified make those great players look mediocre at best.

 

For instance, if the Cowboys in the 80's 90's had not had the incredible Oline they did, then Emmett Smith, Troy Aikman and M Ervin might not be household names.  They had one of the most dominant Olines I have ever seen.  They make okay guys look good and good guys look great.  Same on the Defensive side of the ball

 

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So I've watched some videos on Shawn Oakman now.  My God that is a big boy.  6'9 280lbs.  When I had only seen his numbers I thought "sounds more like a 3-4 DE" but after seeing him, he's relatively lean and quick.  Definitely 4-3 DE build.  Looks relatively strong and very quick.  His hand fighting seems solid, but otherwise his technique is terrible.  His tackling is especially poor, I saw him get his hands on a QB a lot of times, full arms around them, and didn't bring them down due to poor technique.  His motor also is subpar.  Seemed to give up on every play that wasn't an immediate success for him.  Saw a few plays where the QB rolled away from him, so he just wound down and didn't try anymore and the QB ended up scrambling back toward him but was able to evade him because the QB was going full speed and Oakman had already slowed down.

 

If he can get the technique and motor coached up, my Lord he could be amazing.  I wouldn't be upset with us using our first pick on him (provided Cooper and the top LTs are gone).  Reminds me a bit of Ziggy Ansah, but more physically impressive.

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Also watched some Leonard Williams videos. Not impressed. Do not want. He looks strong, but he'll be a 4-3 UT or 3-4 DE. Too stiff, too sluggish off the snap and in pursuit.

Lmao you don't want a consensus number 1 pick. I understand we don't need him given our depth at the position but saying you wouldn't want him makes me greatly question your so called scouting abilities

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Lmao you don't want a consensus number 1 pick. I understand we don't need him given our depth at the position but saying you wouldn't want him makes me greatly question your so called scouting abilities

 

Who called anything my scouting abilities?  I never claimed to be a scout.  I claim to know he looks overrated to me and doesn't fit what we do.  If the consensus number 1 pick was a MLB I wouldn't want him either.

 

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Who called anything my scouting abilities? I never claimed to be a scout. I claim to know he looks overrated to me and doesn't fit what we do. If the consensus number 1 pick was a MLB I wouldn't want him either.

If your watching videos on players it means your scouting there abilities. I've read multiple reports saying that he's a stud, all I'm saying

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