Dumpster Fire

[kls11310]

So I tweeted Ricky Proehl asking if he can promote himself to head coach or OC and he favorited it lol

I'm on my phone so not sure how to embed tweets but thought it was funny that even our own position coaches know Rivera/Shula just can't cut it

[top dawg]

You think that your referring to this (especially in reference to this being further indication of a dumpster fire) will have some ramifications for Proehl?

[kls11310]

I sure hope not geez he did some magic with ginn last year...

[Lemory]

I'd give him a shot at OC. Can't be worse than what we have right?

[jcluther34]

I got flamed a few weeks back for saying we should can Shula and let Proehl be an interim OC.

 

And look where we are now. 

 

Seriously though he couldn't be any fuging worse.

[L-TownCat]

I got flamed a few weeks back for saying we should can Shula and let Proehl be an interim OC.

 

And look where we are now. 

 

Seriously though he couldn't be any fuging worse.

 

I dont think i flamed ya, it actually had me thinking seriously about it.

[teeray]

being an OC on gameday is hard.

 

40 seconds to get down and distance, decide play, get in substitutions, relay play to the QB, have them line up in time to get blocking assignments/adjustments/audibles, and execute play.

 

That is why I love it when fans are like "Gawd!! That guy is an idiot!!"  And "Why don't they get to LOS faster!!  Gawd!!!

 

 

BUT that is what they get paid to do, and some are better than others

[thefuzz]

being an OC on gameday is hard.

 

40 seconds to decide play, relay it to the QB, have them line up in time to get blocking assignments/adjustments/audibles, and execute play.

 

That is why I love it when fans are like "Gawd!! That guy is an idiot!!"

 

 

BUT that is what they get paid to do, and some are better than others

 

It is very hard, but when/if you can see/feel the flow of the game, it gets much easier.

 

Shula, seemingly has no "feel" for the game.  He needs to go.

[teeray]

It is very hard, but when/if you can see/feel the flow of the game, it gets much easier.

 

Shula, seemingly has no "feel" for the game.  He needs to go.

 

Agreed.  That wasn't a backdoor defense of Shula.  It was more a blanket defense of all OCs

[Sam Mills Fan]

being an OC on gameday is hard.

 

40 seconds to get down and distance, decide play, get in substitutions, relay play to the QB, have them line up in time to get blocking assignments/adjustments/audibles, and execute play.

 

That is why I love it when fans are like "Gawd!! That guy is an idiot!!"  And "Why don't they get to LOS faster!!  Gawd!!!

 

 

BUT that is what they get paid to do, and some are better than others

 

I'd say the best offensive coordinators have prepped so much during the week that 40 seconds is plenty of time for them to choose a play. It's a combination of instantly knowing what the opposing defense is likely to do in a given scenario, knowing your own offense's strengths, and reacting to how individual games have been flowing.

[teeray]

I'd say the best offensive coordinators have prepped so much during the week that 40 seconds is plenty of time for them to choose a play. It's a combination of instantly knowing what the opposing defense is likely to do in a given scenario, knowing your own offense's strengths, and reacting to how individual games have been flowing.

 

Defensive Coordinators also coach.  You have to know not just what their likely to do, but what they are doing right then.  Because good defensive coordinators are doing the same thing, and trying to disguise what they are doing on top of that

 

And it isn't just choosing a play.  You have to know down and distance, you have to get in substitutions, you have to give o-line time to get assignments and QB time to audible if need be.

 

You really have closer to 5-10 seconds to choose one play out of 100s.  Because then you have to get in substitutions, relay play to QB, who has to relay play to team, who then has to get to LOS, etc etc.

 

There is a lot of stuff going on between plays.

 

Fans get to sit back, wait and see how the play turns out, and then be experts on what "should have happened"

[Newtcase]

Every offensive play is designed to work and gain a particular minimum yardage.  Same with defense, every play is designed to work and hold to a particular maximum yardage.  The most common theme to a plays success is purely execution and players winning their individual matchups.  Ideally, you should know before the game starts where you have an advantage, is there a spot on the line where you maul, a WR/DB matchup with significant speed/height advantage and vice versa for defense.  You would think both teams should have some awareness and sense of expectation of where they'll be on the losing side of a matchup week to week and get help to that area accordingly.  I.E. double coverage, chip blocking, max protection, gimmicks, blitzing, zone coverage, read option are all adjustments to make up for deficiencies in personnel.  

 

The problem is Shula doesn't seem to recognize who is "winning" or "exceed expectations" game to game.  Stewart has clearly been the better back but he isn't fed and we see DeAngelo far more that we should.  Kelvin hasn't been involved in the last two games until the 4th quarter.  We don't continue to run when the run is working.  We continue to attempt to force the ball down field over and over on 3rd down instead of manufacturing offense with plays that have already worked.  One thing you hear often in the NFL is do it until they stop you.  We do it until we anticipate they will stop us and then try to get cute, which most often has resulted in worse failure than we would have had if we just hadn't got cute.  Example, throwing an interception on 3rd on 2 after back to back 4 yard runs.  We anticipated they would gear up to stop the run on 3rd on 2 so we try to exploit that anticipation with a pass, however, everyone knows Shula didn't have the brass to just pound it, so press coverage resulted in an INT.  If we just run the ball there, and make them stop us we have a really good crack at converting that 3rd and moving on.

 

Play calling doesn't have to be so difficult.  Examine what's working and keep going back to it.  The player that's getting beat isn't going to suddenly get physically better, the other team will have to adjust to create a different outcome leaving new holes to exploit.  This is what good play callers do IMO.

[hepcat]

being an OC on gameday is hard.

 

40 seconds to get down and distance, decide play, get in substitutions, relay play to the QB, have them line up in time to get blocking assignments/adjustments/audibles, and execute play.

 

That is why I love it when fans are like "Gawd!! That guy is an idiot!!"  And "Why don't they get to LOS faster!!  Gawd!!!

 

 

BUT that is what they get paid to do, and some are better than others

 

Being a surgeon is hard but after decades of education and training it becomes second nature.  Shula has been coaching for 25+ years and was raised by one of the best head coaches in the history of the NFL.  Watching his third down playcalling has been like watching a 3rd grader play Madden for the first time.

[Carolina Cajun]

being an OC on gameday is hard.

 

40 seconds to get down and distance, decide play, get in substitutions, relay play to the QB, have them line up in time to get blocking assignments/adjustments/audibles, and execute play.

 

That is why I love it when fans are like "Gawd!! That guy is an idiot!!"  And "Why don't they get to LOS faster!!  Gawd!!!

 

 

BUT that is what they get paid to do, and some are better than others

 

I understand, but as someone that works in a very TIME driven career field where often I have to make wholesale changes in 10-15 seconds and any mistake I make is public knowledge, I have very little sympathy for him.  I often see others come into my career field and know immediately they just can't make it long term.  This is similar to Shula and Rivera, they just DON'T get it.  I get that it's hard, but it's their job, and they had 3 plays, each with a timeout inbetween, to come up with halfback dive, halfback dive, halfback dive.  They deserve the criticism of being called a 1970 smash mouth coach, or being told they have a Techmo Bowl playbook written in Crayon.