Someone with ESPN insider

[panthers90]

can you post what this asshat wrote?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11890785/should-carolina-panthers-extend-cam-newton-week-11-takeaways-nfl

[JawnyBlaze]

 

A contract negotiator said Carolina has been widely known for setting the market when paying its own players -- to the point that other teams hoped to get deals done before the Panthers could change the dynamics by raising prices.

 

The most relevant part

 

Then the downright incorrect:

 

 

Former GM Marty Hurney used the tag to keep Kalil (2011), Julius Peppers (2009) and Jordan Gross (2008). Those players signed longer-term deals after getting the tag. "I think they have to sign Newton and they are going to," the negotiator said.

 

He must not have noticed Peppers didn't sign a longer-term deal after his tag....

[JawnyBlaze]

The subjective parts are more or less fair.  He shits on Cam a little, but follows it up with "but they haven't given him anything to work with..."  The only real bad part of these parts is that he seems to be looking at 2014 in a vacuum, discounting how amazing Cam's first three years were.

 

 

Most of the league insiders I've spoken with think the Panthers will re-sign Newton before he becomes a free agent in March 2015. There is at least some thought, however, that if Gettleman were serious about building around Newton, the Panthers would have done more to help the QB this season. Instead, Carolina entered 2014 with less reliable weaponry at wide receiver and with much less talent along the offensive line. Newton hasn't had much chance for success.

 

 

The Panthers could wind up making Newton the next Cutler -- a highly paid and highly talented quarterback whose production isn't consistent enough to maximize the investment. The comparison would be fairer to Newton if he enjoyed the kind of supporting cast Cutler has in place with Matt Forte, Brandon Marshall and Alshon Jeffery. Newton, still just 25, also has time on his side.

 

He tries to validate it with the retarded "QBR" system ESPN made up:

 

 

As the chart below shows, Newton's career through 59 starts lines up almost exactly with Cutler in won-loss record and Total QBR through the same number of games. The chart includes all 13 QBs who made their first 59 starts beginning in 2006 or later. Newton ranks sixth in QBR, but he would rank ninth at 46.5 without rushing plays -- something to consider for those who are fearful Newton's status as a dynamic runner could fade as his body breaks down. Newton has taken roughly twice as many hits as any other quarterback since 2011.

 

But overall it was far from the worst piece about Cam ESPN has ever written.

[Mr. Scot]

The most relevant part

 

Then the downright incorrect:

 

He must not have noticed Peppers didn't sign a longer-term deal after his tag....

 

Well technically, Peppers did sign a long term deal after his year playing under the Franchise Tag.

 

It just wasn't with us

 

[JawnyBlaze]

Well technically, Peppers did sign a long term deal after his year playing under the Franchise Tag.

 

It just wasn't with us

 

 

Guess you got me there. 

 

[Rise of The Hive]

Fug Peppers

[Mr. Scot]

Guess you got me there.

 

Hey... ya gotta laugh, right?

 

[Snake]

Fug Peppers

Who?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

A contract negotiator said Carolina has been widely known for setting the market when paying its own players -- to the point that other teams hoped to get deals done before the Panthers could change the dynamics by raising prices.

 

This was very true back in the Hurney days. I remember the 49ers were super pissed after we signed DWill to his retarded contract because they were in the middle of trying to resign Gore and it jacked his asking price way up. Hell, we gave CJ $20-30 million more than the next team bidding on him could even afford. There wasn't even a negotiation, Hurney just plopped down that massive deal and CJ signed it immediately. Reportedly, "wow" was CJ's and his agents response seeing the money they offered.

 

With Gettleman I'm not really worried that kind of thing is going to happen, he's trying to set the team up for long term success and is very conscious of how contracts hit the cap in the future. I expect there will be quite a bit of back and forth with Cam (probably a lot more than many fans will like and a lot will freak out). But in the end the deal will get done at a more reasonable price.

[TheRumGone]

This was very true back in the Hurney days. I remember the 49ers were super pissed after we signed DWill to his retarded contract because they were in the middle of trying to resign Gore and it jacked his asking price way up. Hell, we gave CJ $20-30 million more than the next team bidding on him could even afford. There wasn't even a negotiation, Hurney just plopped down that massive deal and CJ signed it immediately. Reportedly, "wow" was CJ's and his agents response seeing the money they offered.

 

With Gettleman I'm not really worried that kind of thing is going to happen, he's trying to set the team up for long term success and is very conscious of how contracts hit the cap in the future. I expect there will be quite a bit of back and forth with Cam (probably a lot more than many fans will like and a lot will freak out). But in the end the deal will get done at a more reasonable price.

 

god hurney was such a fuging dumbass.

 

i mean i've never been involved in anything sports related at a professional level and you just know that that is super, super fuging bad business.

 

i think hurney literally thought of these players as family.

[Mr. Scot]

god hurney was such a fuging dumbass.

 

i mean i've never been involved in anything sports related at a professional level and you just know that that is super, super fuging bad business.

 

i think hurney literally thought of these players as family.

 

On more than one occasion, the Panthers were reported to have likely been 'bidding against themselves'. 

 

It was suggested back in 2003 that the contracts offered Jake Delhomme and Stephen Davis were far in excess of what anyone else offered.  Similar speculation occurred when they re-signed Charles Johnson to his massive deal.

 

Now, that isn't to say that these players were bad, mind you.  Just that maybe they could have been had for cheaper than what we ultimately paid.

 

There are other examples as well, but those are the ones that come to mind.

[CharlottePanther]

The subjective parts are more or less fair. He shits on Cam a little, but follows it up with "but they haven't given him anything to work with..." The only real bad part of these parts is that he seems to be looking at 2014 in a vacuum, discounting how amazing Cam's first three years were.

He tries to validate it with the retarded "QBR" system ESPN made up:

But overall it was far from the worst piece about Cam ESPN has ever written.

Cam's first three years where not great. FACT; Cam's stats through the first three years are padded by rushing stats that he is no longer capable of doing. Take out Cams rushing stats and as a passer he has been AT best serviceable, if you look just at Cam's passing stats, they arent anything Derek Anderson couldnt achieve.

[CharlottePanther]

Cam is already overpaid by 21 million, one winning season, one playoff loss and mediocre play, he is MAYBE worth vet minimum and even then im not so sure hes even worth the roster spot. Why cant you guys see he is clearly a sub par QB on pretty much every level, what a complete and utter disaster if we pay Cam a hundred million, you think D Will and Stew contracts set this franchise back?! Lol just wait if Cam gets a hundred mill deal. Disaster.. complete disaster. Let Csm walk, draft a QB in the 2nd round and have him sit behind DA for a season or two. Do it the old fashion way, let Cam go be a backup for some other team. Im done with Cam, he is hopeless. He is a lame duck and you are blind if you dont see it. Cam wants a hundred million and no way Gman pays him anything remotely close to that, as a result Cam will walk.

[cookinbrak]

 

Cutler -- a highly paid and highly talented quarterback

Where can I buy some of what this guy is on?