Pep Hamilton

[Bj-Monster23]

I'm not so sure I'd want Roman.

If you're gonna poach from the 49ers staff, get Brad Seely, Vic Fangio or Jim Tomsula.

If you want an offensive coach, go for someone like Todd Clements or Darrell Bevell; or maybe Kyle Shanahan or even Frank Reich.

I like Clements and I think he can develop Cam pretty well. Really my top choices are Pep Hamilton, Todd Clements, and Brad Seely.

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[Bj-Monster23]

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[Mr. Scot]

I like Pep, but he's a conservative version of Coryell, the same thing most people are pissing and moaning about (hint, it's really personnel and execution you're mad about).  Clements is interesting too, from an offensive standpoint.  I know the front office liked him in '11 but that was, at least partially, a different FO. 

 

I don't know if either are head coaches. 

 

I didn't remember us looking at Clements then.  Where'd you hear that, Mags?

 

Got an opinion on Bevell or Reich?

 

(or Shanahan, Toub and Seely, for that matter?)

[magnus]

I didn't remember us looking at Clements then.  Where'd you hear that, Mags?

 

Got an opinion on Bevell or Reich?

 

(or Shanahan, Toub and Seely, for that matter?)

Bevell I don't know his personality.  For what it's worth, not unlike Harbaugh, people credit Carroll as WCO and he's not. Bevell isn't.  They're all Coryell and they're all conservative.   I'm OK with a level of continuity, but I know plenty aren't. 

 

 

Shanahan?  No. 

 

Toub, maybe. That would be interesting.  He's not so Lovie, in that he's going to run the most boring Coryell game possible. 

But a ST hire, you have to nail both coordinators.  Seely isn't Toub in my opinion.  He was good here back when.  

 

 

Reich is interesting.  Carolina ties, and Carolina ties.  Coryell but maybe less conservative.  It's a cozy story that the ArchBakula would show back up.  He's fairly green, that's my only worry. 

 

 

 

Clements was a name floated to the press via the front office.  The team wanted a defensive coach but wanted input on the offensive staff.  Rivera likely got the job because he had links to a guy like Chud, who was available, and Clements was a name I remember being stated.  I can't remember offhand others (a scan of my blog attributes Trestman to Yas and I found this that says Musgrave). 

 

I do like Tom.  

He looks like David Byrne, I liked McCarthy coming up and the two share a lot of ideals.  I like the idea of Cam in a WCO like that, just because it's based out of 3, 4 WR, relies so heavily on packaged plays.  I feel like the WCO has had the longest way to transform with the spread-based, shotgun NFL, but the McCarthy brand has (it wasn't a good fit at all for NYG however). 

 

 

I have questions about any and all getting significant help from assistants.  

Toub's best bets include getting Marty Mornhinweg or Brad Childress (who's not critical to the Chiefs right now).  Not thrilled there. 

 

Reich's ties are to the current staff and Indy, not much to mine from there.  

Clements, I would wonder if he'd go after Mike Sherman, given those ties.  A best-case would be something like Tom Coughlin dropping Ben McAdoo and the latter choosing to be under Clements instead of filling his vacancy.

 

I guess there's always the roaming associations with defensive coordinators, but I'm a little tired tonight and Ron Rivera I can't see being fired right now.  I didn't read half of this thread that hard but I want to keep up with it.   Clearly, anyone who could pull Rex Ryan as a coordinator will be a hot commodity, I don't know if that's a fit here with all this 4-3 personnel.   Getting Ron Rivera would be a boon too - given that he'd have a full defensive staff to take, but that's not an option here either.  Probably helps Toub somewhere other than Carolina, more than here.

 

But again I don't see Rivera going, right now.

[magnus]

for what it's worth I also find it short-sighted to only look at offensive candidates. 

[Mr. Scot]

for what it's worth I also find it short-sighted to only look at offensive candidates. 

 

Oh I'm not, but the research I've done into Gettleman's history suggests a likelihood of an offensive coach.  He's only ever worked with one coach from a defensive background (Wade Phillips).

 

On the flipside, Jerry Richardson has a stated preference for defensive coaches, so you have to factor that in.

 

Either way, it's hard to imagine Todd Bowles wouldn't get at least an interview.  Maybe perry Fewell, though I hope not.

 

(all assuming there's even an opening, which is certainly not guaranteed)

[Mr. Scot]

Bevell I don't know his personality.  For what it's worth, not unlike Harbaugh, people credit Carroll as WCO and he's not. Bevell isn't.  They're all Coryell and they're all conservative.   I'm OK with a level of continuity, but I know plenty aren't. 

 

Shanahan?  No. 

 

Toub, maybe. That would be interesting.  He's not so Lovie, in that he's going to run the most boring Coryell game possible. 

But a ST hire, you have to nail both coordinators.  Seely isn't Toub in my opinion.  He was good here back when.  

 

 

Reich is interesting.  Carolina ties, and Carolina ties.  Coryell but maybe less conservative.  It's a cozy story that the ArchBakula would show back up.  He's fairly green, that's my only worry. 

 

Clements was a name floated to the press via the front office.  The team wanted a defensive coach but wanted input on the offensive staff.  Rivera likely got the job because he had links to a guy like Chud, who was available, and Clements was a name I remember being stated.  I can't remember offhand others (a scan of my blog attributes Trestman to Yas and I found this that says Musgrave). 

 

I do like Tom.  

He looks like David Byrne, I liked McCarthy coming up and the two share a lot of ideals.  I like the idea of Cam in a WCO like that, just because it's based out of 3, 4 WR, relies so heavily on packaged plays.  I feel like the WCO has had the longest way to transform with the spread-based, shotgun NFL, but the McCarthy brand has (it wasn't a good fit at all for NYG however). 

 

I have questions about any and all getting significant help from assistants.  

Toub's best bets include getting Marty Mornhinweg or Brad Childress (who's not critical to the Chiefs right now).  Not thrilled there. 

 

Reich's ties are to the current staff and Indy, not much to mine from there.  

Clements, I would wonder if he'd go after Mike Sherman, given those ties.  A best-case would be something like Tom Coughlin dropping Ben McAdoo and the latter choosing to be under Clements instead of filling his vacancy.

 

I guess there's always the roaming associations with defensive coordinators, but I'm a little tired tonight and Ron Rivera I can't see being fired right now.  I didn't read half of this thread that hard but I want to keep up with it.   Clearly, anyone who could pull Rex Ryan as a coordinator will be a hot commodity, I don't know if that's a fit here with all this 4-3 personnel.   Getting Ron Rivera would be a boon too - given that he'd have a full defensive staff to take, but that's not an option here either.  Probably helps Toub somewhere other than Carolina, more than here.

 

But again I don't see Rivera going, right now.

 

Bevell's history is pretty much all WCO though.  His previous resume' includes working primarily for Mike McCarthy and Brad Childress.  Gotta figure that's what he'd go for as a head coach.

 

Our resident Charger fan (Boltergeist) says the Chargers have switched over to an E-P under Reich.  I know that sounds like sacrilege in San Diego but he says it's been for the better.  Lack of experience is a red flag for me too though.

 

Toub intrigues me, for sure.  Probably will do more research on him later.  There is the question of how he'd feel about replacing an old colleague, but it's hard for me to believe he'd turn down a head coaching opportunity if it came up (and Rivera would likely tell him to go for it).

 

Clements is probably my most intriguing option right now.  It used to be Bevell but I'm leaning more toward Clements these days.  The thought of Musgrave being back here in some capacity amuses me given his history here.

 

And while I'm not a big Shanahan fan, if you look over to the thread where I talk about the coaches Gettleman has worked with before, you'll see why I have him in the mix.

[magnus]

Oh I'm not, but the research I've done into Gettleman's history suggests a likelihood of an offensive coach.  He's only ever worked with one coach from a defensive background (Wade Phillips).

 

On the flipside, Jerry Richardson has a stated preference for defensive coaches, so you have to factor that in.

 

Either way, it's hard to imagine Todd Bowles wouldn't get at least an interview.  Maybe perry Fewell, though I hope not.

 

(all assuming there's even an opening, which is certainly not guaranteed)

Bowles has made an amazing turnaround.  Remember back when he was the Juan Castillo cleanup guy? 

 

 

 

I don't see Reich as E-P. McCoy, he had to run some of it under McDaniels, but Fox is generally Coryell, and Manning is 100%.  Reich was a longtime staffer in Indy in the Manning days.  I was surprised that Whisenhunt came over, assuming he was an E-P guy. But it feels very Coryell there. 

 

Bevell is with Tom Cable. I'm good with it. 

 

Granted, all of that is more or less irrelevant in ideal because it matters a lot more how it's run (Belichick and Jeff Davidson coached together, run remarkably different systems).