I admit it: I'm more relieved that Cam and the team showed out in the 4th quarter than I would've been with a win.

[TNPanther]

I'll admit, I was calling for Anderson to come in during the 3rd quarter. However, I was doing so on the premise of saving cam from this dumpster fire of an offense and further ruining of his mechanics. It completely baffles me to the point of anger how this coaching staff won't tailor the offense to his strengths and doesn't trust him, yet they point to his "mental issues." That's like giving Derek Jeter a led bat and blaming it on his head when he bats .150.

[pstall]

There is a catch 22 with benching Cam. You want to protect his health for the long term but you also want to protect his payche as well.

Winning yesterday would have been awesome heading into a bye.

Hope this bye is productive.

[Mr. Scot]

I mean honestly Cam looked awful for a lot of that game. He flat out missed a couple guys on some basic throws. I'd be lying if I said those problems and the rising crescendo of criticism and the popular notion that the team has destroyed him David Carr style didn't spawn a few threads of doubt that wound through my head and made me wonder if my desire to see him succeed blinded me to what was happening on the field.

But no. Cam is not broken. Cam can still Cam. Cam is the future. Even though we lost, that became abundantly clear. It's a massive, massive relief.

 

Broken?  No.  Damaged?  Definitely.

 

We need a head coach and staff that can rebuild him from the ground up, and probably in a different system (West Coast or Earhardt-Perkins).  I'd personally like to see the read-option stuff dumped entirely.

 

If I had my choice of systems, I'd probably go E-P, but my favorite head coaching candidates are WCO guys.

 

[Mr. Scot]

There is a catch 22 with benching Cam. You want to protect his health for the long term but you also want to protect his payche as well.

Winning yesterday would have been awesome heading into a bye.

Hope this bye is productive.

 

Generally speaking, sitting a healthy QB down is something you'd have to talk me into with a gun to my head,

 

I get the arguments, though.

[TheRed]

Broken?  No.  Damaged?  Definitely.

 

We need a head coach and staff that can rebuild him from the ground up, and probably in a different system (West Coast or Earhardt-Perkins).  I'd personally like to see the read-option stuff dumped entirely.

 

If I had my choice of systems, I'd probably go E-P, but my favorite head coaching candidates are WCO guys.

 

 

Newton isn't the type of individual to simply succumb to adversity, the guy is a warrior. Just give him the tools and the right coaches.

 

People are worried about the interceptions, but most of them have been tipped, or him simply trying to let a receiver make a play. I honestly don't give a poo about it. I want to see him pick himself back up, and go out there and make more plays, and he has been doing that.

 

What we need is very simple, we need a staff who will build around him, and develop gameplans which play to his strengths. If Rivera is fired, we must hire an offensive minded head coach, with the key words there being head coach, not another coordinator masquerading as one.

[thefuzz]

Would we be having this conversation if Philly and KB had not been able to reel those balls in?

 

 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

This game is similar to those that don't golf much.

They hack their way thru 17 and get a par or just a bogey on 18 and due to the mild buzz of 9 Michelob Ultra's they go ya know....I like this game. I will play again.

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Would we be having this conversation if Philly and KB had not been able to reel those balls in?

 

To be fair, would we be having it if Benjamin would have stopped running lazy routes?

 

[thefuzz]

To be fair, would we be having it if Benjamin would have stopped running lazy routes?

 

 

Maybe, not sure honestly.

 

 

I like Cam, love the upside, but the nuances of the game he is either struggling with, or it's not being coached up for him.  Personally, I'm not sure where I sit with Cam at the moment, he is a "franchise" guy, as he is going to start no matter what, but I'm not sure I am ready to castrate the team by paying him Aaron Rodgers money.

 

 

 

We need a new staff, and I want to see a really good offensive mind come in and work with Cam and see what all we can get out of him, however that means dancing with the devil.  You would have to fire RR (will be shocked if that happens), and let Cam get really close to FA (outside the tag).

[TheRed]

Maybe, not sure honestly.

 

 

I like Cam, love the upside, but the nuances of the game he is either struggling with, or it's not being coached up for him.  Personally, I'm not sure where I sit with Cam at the moment, he is a "franchise" guy, as he is going to start no matter what, but I'm not sure I am ready to castrate the team by paying him Aaron Rodgers money.

 

 

 

We need a new staff, and I want to see a really good offensive mind come in and work with Cam and see what all we can get out of him, however that means dancing with the devil.  You would have to fire RR (will be shocked if that happens), and let Cam get really close to FA (outside the tag).

 

Okay, you let Cam go.

 

Who replaces him? Let's hear it fuzz.

 

Trying to replace quarterbacks hasn't been working out so well for a number of teams in the NFL.

 

Even worse, I don't recall any of those teams letting a player of Newton's caliber simply leave while still not even in his prime yet.

[Mr. Scot]

Maybe, not sure honestly.

 

I like Cam, love the upside, but the nuances of the game he is either struggling with, or it's not being coached up for him.  Personally, I'm not sure where I sit with Cam at the moment, he is a "franchise" guy, as he is going to start no matter what, but I'm not sure I am ready to castrate the team by paying him Aaron Rodgers money.

 

We need a new staff, and I want to see a really good offensive mind come in and work with Cam and see what all we can get out of him, however that means dancing with the devil.  You would have to fire RR (will be shocked if that happens), and let Cam get really close to FA (outside the tag).

 

 The next head coach would likely determine that.

 

As much as I want an offensive coach, it also must be considered that offensive coaches often prefer to pick their own guy and groom him from the beginning rather than try to fix someone else's reclamation project.

 

I suspect if we hired an offensive coach this offseason, he'd at the very least take his first season and evaluate Newton, then decide what to do after that.

 

Mind you, it;d be no shock if the team made willingness to stick with Cam a condition of hiring.

[thefuzz]

Okay, you let Cam go.

 

Who replaces him? Let's hear it fuzz.

 

Trying to replace quarterbacks hasn't been working out so well for a number of teams in the NFL.

 

Even worse, I don't recall any of those teams letting a player of Newton's caliber simply leave while still not even in his prime yet.

 

Here is the deal.  Has Cam shown you enough to make him one of the highest paid QB's in the league?  I know what you are going to say, but you have to think a little farther.

 

 

Is Cam the type player that needs other good/great players around him to make him succeed, or does he make others great?  We bitch, and moan about Cam needing weapons, and needing an OL, and needing decent RB's......we have all done it, but can you effectively surround Cam with those pieces while paying him a large portion of the salary cap.

 

 

We re-sign him, I'm all over it, we don't, and while it would be a big head scratcher for me, I could understand if he wanted to be the highest paid QB in the league.

 

I think that Cam stays, I want Cam to stay, I just hope that it's a positive thing for the Panthers long term.

[thefuzz]

 The next head coach would likely determine that.

 

As much as I want an offensive coach, it also must be considered that offensive coaches often prefer to pick their own guy and groom him from the beginning rather than try to fix someone else's reclamation project.

 

I suspect if we hired an offensive coach this offseason, he'd at the very least take his first season and evaluate Newton, then decide what to do after that.

 

Mind you, it;d be no shock if the team made willingness to stick with Cam a condition of hiring.

 

My thought as well, as to Cam being a condition.

 

 

Hopefully we can finally hire some competent offensive minds to surround Cam.

 

 

One thing that is strange to me though....especially with this team.....Why, if we want to be a conservative/defense first type football team do we continue to hire and start gunslingers?  Both Cam and Delhomme were similar, although Jake could only dream of Cam's skillset.

[TonyN]

The big gamble with Newton is deciding whether or not he is going to get his speed and mobility back.

 

If he has that speed and mobility, he is a player you can build around and hope he doesn't get hurt (if you are a gambling type)...very average in the passing game, but with enough upside running the football to negate some of that.

 

The version of Newton we see right now is replaceable with virtually any QB in the league. The only QB's with worse passer ratings are Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles and Geno Smith....three rookies and a second year player having a very tough time transitioning to the NFL.

 

We are in scary territory as far as Newton's play is concerned.