Quarterback Coaching

[*FreeFua*]

We've already ruined Cam and his growth. I really don't think it's possible to get his confidence back unless it's a change of scenery. Not to mention that is 4 years wasted that Cam could have been learning the game if he had ANY good offensive coaching. It's actually quite sad. There's always time to grow and progress, but he isn't going to find it here. Good post BTW, even though it made me kind of depressed.

Because we've already wasted 4 years of his career I'd like to see them bring in someone he's familiar with. If we brought in Gus Malzahn, Cam would be somewhat familiar with the system and wouldn't have to learn a new system for the 3rd time in 5 seasons.

Your coaches should be getting the most out of their players and Shula is doing the exact opposite. It's so damn frustrating because Cam is just wasting away his career here. If you go and watch his cut ups from his Auburn days he's a totally different QB. Gus has him rolling out, he's checking the ball down, finding his outlets and being able to get into a rythum because of the uptempo style. Now it's not just Shula, DG has done a horrible job with surrounding Cam with the talent to run an offense that best suits him. I'm interested to see what happens this offseason, one thing is for certain they need to make changes.

[WhoAmI?]

Because we've already wasted 4 years of his career I'd like to see them bring in someone he's familiar with. If we brought in Gus Malzahn, Cam would be somewhat familiar with the system and wouldn't have to learn a new system for the 3rd time in 5 seasons.

Your coaches should be getting the most out of their players and Shula is doing the exact opposite. It's so damn frustrating because Cam is just wasting away his career here. If you go and watch his cut ups from his Auburn days he's a totally different QB. Gus has him rolling out, he's checking the ball down, finding his outlets and being able to get into a rythum because of the uptempo style. Now it's not just Shula, DG has done a horrible job with surrounding Cam with the talent to run an offense that best suits him. I'm interested to see what happens this offseason, one thing is for certain they need to make changes.

 

Agreed. Gus Malzahn and Darrell Bevell are atop my coach wish list. We need a head coach in here that can help Cam and the offense grow.. I'm tired of us always hiring a defensive coach even if he isn't qualified. A change in philosophy is much needed within this organization because 5 winning seasons vs 20 losing seasons is absolutely pathetic and shows that their hiring process is flawed. Also, like you said, Gettleman has done a horrible job this year of helping Cam. That "setting Cam up to fail" conspiracy is starting to look legit. The moves he made in the offseason were highly questionable.

 

[*FreeFua*]

A change in philosophy is much needed within this organization because 5 winning seasons vs 20 losing seasons is absolutely pathetic and shows that their hiring process is flawed.

Yep, that stat pretty much says it all. This organizations problems start right at the top

[Mr. Scot]

Gus Malzahn and Darrell Bevell are atop my coach wish list.

 

Tom Clements should be too.

 

[WhoAmI?]

There is a potential downside to hiring an offensive guy.

 

Some of them prefer picking and grooming their own star QB rather than working with reclamation projects.

 

In all likelihood, I expect anyone hired here will be asked extensively how they will coach Cam Newton and their answer will have a lot to do with whether they're hired or not.  Gettleman has stated Cam is a franchise Qb so it's hard to imagine him moving on from that.

 

But we do have to acknowledge that, however unlikely (I'd say "very") it is technically possible.

 

There's a potential downside to hiring any coach. That's just the risk we have to take. What you don't do is hire a coach based solely on the answers they give about Cam (even though I know it has a lot to do with it). Hire the most qualified coach in the interview and take the risk. And yes, I'm not getting my hopes up with this organization hiring an offensive minded coach.

 

 

[CPF4LIFE]

This coaching staff only cares defense.the Offensively philosophy is more towards holding the ball forever control clock and NOT to score as many points as possible......Total crapfest

[panthers55]

Neither did John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, or Mike Tomlin, and they've coached the winners of four out of the last six Super Bowls.  Likewise, Chuck Pagano, Mike Pettine, Mike McCoy and Mike Smith have all had some success in their first head coaching gigs.

 

What some of the smarter guys have often done in the past is hire someone for their staff who does have head coaching experience.  That way they have someone to help them learn the finer points in the process.

 

Mind you, I have nothing against going after a guy who had a prior stint (like say Gary Kubiak, Todd Haley or Pat Shurmur) but there have been plenty of guys who've succeeded their first time out too, including technically our own John Fox.

No argument that there are a number of guys who have had success at the pro level coming from the cordinator level given that is obviously where talent has to come from unless you dip into college or retread a previous coach. But tell me which is longer, your list or the list of coordinators who have struggled because they had no head coach experience.  I don't have nearly the knowledge of all the coordinators and head coaches over the year but off the top of my head guys like Del Rio, Chudzinski  and Capers from our own organization struggled in their first head coaching job.  You can add a number of guys like Wisenhunt, Bobby Petrino, Dick LeBeau, Wade Phillips ( several times), Mike Mularkey, Romeo Crennel, Leslie Frazier, Eric Mangini, Pete Carroll the first and second times as a head coach even Bill Bellichick when he coached in Cleveland.  And honestly this is just off the top of my head.  I could go on and on.

 

And I totally agree that having a head coach to mentor them is a great idea, even Rivera admitted that he wished he had done that.

 

But I can promise you the list of guys who have failed with no head coaching experience is much longer than the guys who have succeeded the first time around.  Then when you add all the guys who have had head coaching experience at some level and still struggled and you would want a guy with as much head coach experience as possible.

 

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Repeatedly we have picked guys with no head coach experience from the defensive side. So lets go out on the limb and get your offensive guy but make sure they have done this before as a head coach at some level and have experience in the NFL at some level as a player or a coordinator.  That list would still be pretty long and that would maximize the possibility of long term success.

[Mr. Scot]

No argument that there are a number of guys who have had success at the pro level coming from the cordinator level given that is obviously where talent has to come from unless you dip into college or retread a previous coach. But tell me which is longer, your list or the list of coordinators who have struggled because they had no head coach experience.  I don't have nearly the knowledge of all the coordinators and head coaches over the year but off the top of my head guys like Del Rio, Chudzinski  and Capers from our own organization struggled in their first head coaching job.  You can add a number of guys like Wisenhunt, Bobby Petrino, Dick LeBeau, Wade Phillips ( several times), Mike Mularkey, Romeo Crennel, Leslie Frazier, Eric Mangini, Pete Carroll the first and second times as a head coach even Bill Bellichick when he coached in Cleveland.  And honestly this is just off the top of my head.  I could go on and on.

 

And I totally agree that having a head coach to mentor them is a great idea, even Rivera admitted that he wished he had done that.

 

But I can promise you the list of guys who have failed with no head coaching experience is much longer than the guys who have succeeded the first time around.  Then when you add all the guys who have had head coaching experience at some level and still struggled and you would want a guy with as much head coach experience as possible.

 

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Repeatedly we have picked guys with no head coach experience from the defensive side. So lets go out on the limb and get your offensive guy but make sure they have done this before as a head coach at some level and have experience in the NFL at some level as a player or a coordinator.  That list would still be pretty long and that would maximize the possibility of long term success.

 

The list of guys who have failed as head coaches regardless of their background is longer than the list of those who've succeeded, and always will be.

 

I actually made a list of all the former head coaches who are getting buzz right now that's posted in the all-pro section.  Out of that bunch, Gary Kubiak and Jack Del Rio had the best resume's (Hue Jackson technically has the best win percentage but it's based on only one season).

 

I'm not at all opposed to taking one of those guys, but the organization has been said to have a preference for first time coaches (the "grow your own star" philosophy) so that tends to be where I concentrate my research.

 

Mind you, I have zero interest in past Super Bowl winning coaches because those guys pretty much never duplicate their success when they go to new teams.  As retreads go, the track records for guys who failed in their first stint is much better.

 

Bottom Line: Pick the right guy and hire the right supporting cast.

[panthers55]

The list of guys who have failed as head coaches regardless of their background is longer than the list of those who've succeeded, and always will be.

 

I actually made a list of all the former head coaches who are getting buzz right now that's posted in the all-pro section.  Out of that bunch, Gary Kubiak and Jack Del Rio had the best resume's (Hue Jackson technically has the best win percentage but it's based on only one season).

 

I'm not at all opposed to taking one of those guys, but the organization has been said to have a preference for first time coaches (the "grow your own star" philosophy) so that tends to be where I concentrate my research.

 

Mind you, I have zero interest in past Super Bowl winning coaches because those guys pretty much never duplicate their success when they go to new teams.  As retreads go, the track records for guys who failed in their first stint is much better.

 

Bottom Line: Pick the right guy and hire the right supporting cast.

Yeah I know what we have picked historically largely because they are cheaper and primarily because they don't require total control.  Most successful head coaches want control of personnel and all football decision like Shanahan did in Washington.  And I don't see that here given who we have in place already.  They will want someone that they can manage and control and make do things their way so you need a guy with little or no head coach expereince.

 

Then again this organization doesn't exactly have a history of consistent success. So maybe instead of continually bringing in new guys and growing them perhaps we might have better results if we actually hire someone who has been there and done that and might be able to teach the organization how it should be done.

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah I know what we have picked historically largely because they are cheaper and primarily because they don't require total control.  Most successful head coaches want control of personnel and all football decision like Shanahan did in Washington.  And I don't see that here given who we have in place already.  They will want someone that they can manage and control and make do things their way so you need a guy with little or no head coach expereince.

 

Then again this organization doesn't exactly have a history of consistent success. So maybe instead of continually bringing in new guys and growing them perhaps we might have better results if we actually hire someone who has been there and done that and might be able to teach the organization how it should be done.

 

Gettleman was and is a big fan of Tom Coughlin, who was a retread in New York as well as an offensive coach.

 

I could definitely see the next head coaching search looking different than prior ones.

 

[beastson]

Because we've already wasted 4 years of his career I'd like to see them bring in someone he's familiar with. If we brought in Gus Malzahn, Cam would be somewhat familiar with the system and wouldn't have to learn a new system for the 3rd time in 5 seasons.

Your coaches should be getting the most out of their players and Shula is doing the exact opposite. It's so damn frustrating because Cam is just wasting away his career here. If you go and watch his cut ups from his Auburn days he's a totally different QB. Gus has him rolling out, he's checking the ball down, finding his outlets and being able to get into a rythum because of the uptempo style. Now it's not just Shula, DG has done a horrible job with surrounding Cam with the talent to run an offense that best suits him. I'm interested to see what happens this offseason, one thing is for certain they need to make changes.

 

I dont think Shula system is a new system. It's just a dumb down QB being a game manager version of Chud offense

[AceBoogie]

Tom Clements should be too.

Should definitely get an interview. I remember when Ron was hired, he said he would be defensive side of the ball because that's what he knows. How nice would it be to have your head coach keeping a close eye on Cam

[Mr. Scot]

Okay, so why bump this old thread back up?

 

Because reading this article (Andrew Luck is good, but he can be so much better)

 

And then reading this article (Panthers Need to Learn From Cam Newton’s Two-Seasons-In-One)

 

...makes for an interesting (and probably infuriating) contrast.

[rayzor]

i read the OP and my first thoughts were...

hire pep as HC and christensen as OC.

then hire a former defensive minded HC to take over the defense.