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Two Words: "Nick Saban"

ThinkAboutIt

By ThinkAboutIt,
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What an irrelevant post unless the topic was how coaches can do well in college and suck in the NFL. Or that guys who suck in the pros might do better as a college coach so if Shula gets fired he should go back to college and he might do better.

Sure Saban replaced,Shula and did well in college so Shula wasn't a great college head coach. And maybe he isn't a great OC but there were a ton of better comparisons where a guy comes in and improves the offense as an OC replacing someone who struggled.

On the other hand is our situation not pretty unique. I can't remember a time when a team went 12-4 and won their division and then was almost totally dismantled personnel wise. There have been Super Bowl teams that suffered the following year after guys wanted big pay checks and left. But honestly looking at all the starters we lost has there been a time when a team has done what Gettleman did to us. I am sure there must have been but I can think of it off the top of my head.

How is that related? Both Rivera and Shula have been blamed for the mess we are in yet who would be winning with this train wreck?

In,our own history perhaps we could look at what happened in 2003 and then again in 2004 where we lost so many starters to injury. Sure we didn't lose everyone to leaving but the effect was the same. Guys who were starting were backups who replaced guys who weren't there. Then again I don't remember our coaches getting blamed for the problems in 2004. So why is Rivera and Shula getting all the heat for what was obviously Gettlemans failure to keep the team competitive?

Because Mitchell, Munnerlyn, Ginn, and Lafell are not world beaters, they are JAGs. The loss of Smith was a mistake, but KB is at least matching his production from last year.

The O line is awful, but there have been absolutely no adjustments to our offense to mask it at all. (Example: the short pass to Deangelo in the Saints game that went for about 40 yards. We haven't tried it again since)

Bottom line, there is enough talent on this team to at least play .500 ball.

As far as Gettleman's moves, please read this:

[url=http://grantland.com/features/the-roster-moves-made-panthers-gm-incompetent-best/]http://grantland.com...competent-best/

(Courtesy of MHS831)

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panthers55 Grand Master

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Because Mitchell, Munnerlyn, Ginn, and Lafell are not world beaters, they are JAGs. The loss of Smith was a mistake, but KB is at least matching his production from last year.

The O line is awful, but there have been absolutely no adjustments to our offense to mask it at all. (Example: the short pass to Deangelo in the Saints game that went for about 40 yards. We haven't tried it again since)

Bottom line, there is enough talent on this team to at least play .500 ball.

As far as Gettleman's moves, please read this:

[url=http://grantland.com/features/the-roster-moves-made-panthers-gm-incompetent-best/]http://grantland.com...competent-best/

(Courtesy of MHS831)

First of all you can't look at a guy in isolation and say he is this or that without taking in context that he might be a JAG on one team but great on another one in a different system.  Ginn had a break out season here so how he did before or after is not really relevant.  Mitchell was a young guy coming into his own who we developed to be quite a stud.  Munnerlyn was great in our system although he might nor be great elsewhere.

 

And if you knew this defense you would know that it is a highly accountable highly disciplined scheme that needs everyone to do their job.  One or 2 guys breaking down on a play caused big breakdowns.  And we could have the best receivers and running backs in the league and with this line would struggle.

 

Anyone who thinks we have a talented team is either nuts or wanted to excuse the players to once again blame the coaches.

As for the link, at least for my computer it is like this team it didn't work (load).

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Davidson Deac II Grand Master

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You win in college football by recruiting. Nick Saban is a masterful recruiter. 

 

Nick Saban didn't do anything in the NFL lol.

 

True, but Pete Carroll didn't do much the first time around either.  And he got fired his second time around.  IMO, being a successful head coach in college is 50% coaching and 50% recruiting.  In the NFL, its 50% coaching, 50% drafting and assessing talent (with perhaps some luck with the draft involved). 

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So if I'm reading his post correctly, he's saying that we should hire Bama OC Lane Kiffin to replace Shula?

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You'd be reading it incorrectly if you thought that. No "hiring" suggestion was made. Only a "firing" one, in general.

And I don't need to know "who" should replace Shula (or Rivera). That's not my role, or my responsibility.

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You'd be reading it incorrectly if you thought that. No "hiring" suggestion was made. Only a "firing" one, in general.

And I don't need to know "who" should replace Shula (or Rivera). That's not my role, or my responsibility.

But the point is that anyone can say just fire someone.  If you don't have a better option we could be in the same boat as the offseason when he let players go but didn't replace with better. Then you just go from bad to worse.  It is the kind of response typical around here but surely not insightful or adding to the conversation.

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Not as the next Panthers head coach, but just as an example of what a difference a better coach with a clue makes.

Mike Shula...fired from Alabama. Nick Saban...three National Championships at Alabama since.

There is at least one example of firing Mike Shula paying off big-time. No doubt that hiring another OC would do the same, but Rivera is still the biggest problem.

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that's a poor example because Saban is the best recruiter in the business, a skill that has nothing to do with NFL success..and being that HC is a whole different job than coordinator.

A better example would be to point out that Saban was a very good NFL DC before he took the head coaching job at Michigan State. Compare to Shula as an NFL OC:

Saban as DC of Browns (hired away by Mich St to be head coach)

1991 - #14/18 defense

1992 - #10/14 defense

1993 - #12/17 defense

1994 - #1/7 defense

Shula as OC of Bucs (was fired and his next job was QB coach for MIA)

1996 - #28/30 offense

1997 - #23/29 offense

1998 - #18/22 offense

1999 - #27/28 offense

Panthers OC

2013 - #18/26 offense

2014 - #25/25 offense

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