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[CRA]

look at the skill positions, please.

greg olsen, stewart, williams, benjamin, cotchery, avant, bersin = far better then what brady had

Skill positions don't mean much with no OL. Which is why NE had a great rush attack and Carolina doesn't have one.

WRs are a push. Kelvin too raw. Potential doesn't matter in this discussion bc he hasn't goten far enough. He is also racking up in garbage time.

TE, yes....Carolina has the big edge. That's it. OL and what it creates makes NE's supporting cast clearly better.

Carolina has names at RB at this stage

[CRA]

Wtf why is panthers fans arguing with a bills fans over the panthers

And why is a bills fan on here? Not even in the same conference

Im calling troll

Something different to talk about. Plus he is so over the top it is funny. He basically claimed for most of the past 13 years NE has had a worse team than the 2014 cast surrounding there QB.

[WhoAmI?]

If you dont pay him another team will. So you would let Newton walk and prefer us searching for an adequate qb again like it's 1998-2002?

 

If you were following my conversation, you would know that I would prefer trading Cam for a bunch of draft picks. You know how much a team would give up for Cam just for the name alone? A whole lot, and then maybe we could start building a complete team with all those 1st round and 2nd round extra draft picks (not including our top 10 draft pick) without soaking all of our money towards one position. You see how that has ended up throughout Panther's history. I know it isn't a given that those draft picks will go as planned, but it would be a big start in building an elite team that is actually able to win 2 seasons in a row for once. However, my scenario means that Gettleman and Richardson would have to bring in a competent coaching staff and hit on those picks for it to work, which I admit I'm not too confident in.

[BuffaloBills62]

Something different to talk about. Plus he is so over the top it is funny. He basically claimed for most of the past 13 years NE has had a worse team than the 2014 cast surrounding there QB.

No.  No.  No.  We are arguing that the Patriots have had less talent in many seasons and been as much or more successful on offense due to the supreme play of Thomas Brady and his ability to manage the game while developing in to one of the best to ever play the game.

 

See:

 

That sounds fun. Name the prior season or seasons Brady had less talent.

And I agree they overachieved last year. Cam had to carry them and bail them out. Of course your team gets exposed in the postseason bc of it. He isn't the real Superman.

I submitted the 2001 season where Brady had a better OL but worse skill set players.  We disagreed with each other.  You poopoo'd the rest and claimed you won.

 

I awaited you to find another season which supported your claim or to actually make an argument.

 

Wtf why is panthers fans arguing with a bills fans over the panthers

 

And why is a bills fan on here? Not even in the same conference

 

Im calling troll

i'm calling your mom.  that's not very nice, you big meanie.

 

You are logic fail.  Because I am a Bills fan I cannot talk football?  Because I am a fan of another team means I cannot be here and talk football?  How am I trolling?

 

seriously, i have something like 500 posts, about 300 of them dealing with football and you're calling troll?  Yep, way to indict how awesome your moderators and admin are... yeah,  doof.  Also, the other 200 are in the nonsense part of the board and in the workout thread.

 

Either way, I am here for the babes.

 

[Vagrant]

Anybody considered the fact that it's also because Cam likes to hold the ball a very long time waiting for routes to develop? Granted, his line is terrible too but he's not a three or five step drop kind of QB. He doesn't throw receivers open, which is what I feel is probably his biggest flaw as a QB. Cam uses his athleticism to buy time to get his WR open but that doesn't always work. I think that's why a lot of coaches have said that Cam needs to make quicker decisions and to maintain his fundamentals through his throws.

 

With that said, it's NEVER a good idea for a QB to get hit this much. You saw what it did to David Carr, one of the most naturally gifted throwers to come through the draft in a while. Sometimes the guys have the mental makeup to never recover from that kind of shell shock. Cam is made of tougher stuff than that, but it's still concerning to me.

[TheMaulClaw]

he gets hit more because he runs more, but esp. because his OL has sucked.

we keep sticking rookies from small schools in at guard and udfas at OT. what do you expect to happen?

when was the last time he didn't have at least one udfa or rookie on the OL?

Once again, Cam took a lot of hits even when we had a probowl LT and C. Does our offensive line suck this year? Astoundingly yes. Does Cam style of play and deficiencies as a pocket passer contribute to the mauling he takes? Absolutely yes. As I've pointed out before his sack and hit numbers are on par with last season. Cam is not on track to be a winning qb long term because what makes him great will also contribute to a career that buds early and ends early...see Mike Vick. Cam needs to realize he's not invincible before its to late. As it stands right now.... a gm shouldn't give cam a long term contract.

[TheRumGone]

Once again, Cam took a lot of hits even when we had a probowl LT and C. Does our offensive line suck this year? Astoundingly yes. Does Cam style of play and deficiencies as a pocket passer contribute to the mauling he takes? Absolutely yes. As I've pointed out before his sack and hit numbers are on par with last season. Cam is not on track to be a winning qb long term because what makes him great will also contribute to a career that buds early and ends early...see Mike Vick. Cam needs to realize he's not invincible before its to late. As it stands right now.... a gm shouldn't give cam a long term contract.

Get a run game and a poo ton of those hits will go away. When can was forced to stay in the pocket and had some time he made the throws. Everyone was going crazy because we thought we were about to witness him finally putting it all together when his legs got under him. Only problem. He was expected to be the run and passing game. We can't do that to him. And now it looks like he's hurt. Bengals game he completely took over but he can't do that week in and week out like you said. And then we have Shula calling dlos number instead of stewart. It's madness. They don't know what to do with cam

[TheRumGone]

And for the first time I've ever seen it looks like cam is in over his head.

[Carolina Cajun]

 

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  13m13 minutes ago

Most QB sacks or hits the past 4 season:

Cam Newton 531

Ryan Fitzpatrick 272

Alex Smith 257

Joe Flacco 254

 

Which is why Cam looks like Fred Sanford out there...

 

 

[MHS831]

 

Ben Roethlisberger can read defenses, not sure where he came in to this.

Never said he couldn't.   I said he is faster at it than Cam.  Cam was compared to Ben earlier in thread.

 

[Kuech the Sneak]

Norwell looks like a find and turner has looked pretty good, crazy to think that lineman from big time programs would be better than ones from D2 or D3

[Cyberjag]

I know this has been posted before, but compare the way the Colts and Panthers have drafted in the past few years:

 

Colts since taking Luck (including his draft).  15/22 offensive players taken, including 5 offensive linemen.

Panthers since taking Newton.  11/26.  

 

One team believes in building around and taking care of it's franchise QB.  The other team, well it's Hurney's fault.

[CRA]

No. No. No. We are arguing that the Patriots have had less talent in many seasons and been as much or more successful on offense due to the supreme play of Thomas Brady and his ability to manage the game while developing in to one of the best to ever play the game.

See:

I submitted the 2001 season where Brady had a better OL but worse skill set players. We disagreed with each other. You poopoo'd the rest and claimed you won.

I awaited you to find another season which supported your claim or to actually make an argument.

i'm calling your mom. that's not very nice, you big meanie.

You are logic fail. Because I am a Bills fan I cannot talk football? Because I am a fan of another team means I cannot be here and talk football? How am I trolling?

seriously, i have something like 500 posts, about 300 of them dealing with football and you're calling troll? Yep, way to indict how awesome your moderators and admin are... yeah, doof. Also, the other 200 are in the nonsense part of the board and in the workout thread.

Either way, I am here for the babes.

2001 Patriots had a signicantly better OL. Signicantly better. The supporting cast off that alone was signicantly better for whoever was the Patriot QB. The 2001 Patriots rush attack was light years better than the 2014 Panthers one. Fact.

WRs are a push.

Greg Olen doesn't flip all that upside down.

I'll get to the other years after we get past 2001. If you don't think that 2001 cast was better for a QB than this 2014 than talking the rest is a waste of time.

So you don't think the NE rush attack was much better? You don't consider the WRs as push? Why not

I mean looking ahead the NE OL gets better in 05-06 and it already poos all over the 2014 Car one back 2001.

[CRA]

look at the skill positions, please.

greg olsen, stewart, williams, benjamin, cotchery, avant, bersin = far better then what brady had

You are looking at things through odd glasses.

Look at the NE rush attack in 2001 vs Car 2014. NE was light years better. Our RBs having nicknames bc of something a half decade ago doesn't matter. That 2001 NE team could let Brady hand it off over and over. Cam can't do that bc we can't run. OL is HUGE. You are downplaying it's huge importance and focusing on old nicknames and a rookie WR somehow being something it isn't

NE was a running team that could run.

Car is a running team that can't unless there hurt QB sucks it up and puts them on his back

2001 vs 2014 isn't much of a debate IMO