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[BuffaloBills62]

are there enough Bills fans to host a forum?

I love you.  You're awesome.  Coolest dude.  EVER.

 

 

There are more Bills fans in the Carolina's then Panthers fans.  Also, more Steelers, Bears, Cowboys, and Argonaut fans.

 

Feel free to be man enough to quote me so I am sure not to miss your amazing wit and stellar remarks.  What I said has nothing to do with the Bills but do not let that take away from your insecurity in your own team.

 

That sounds fun. Name the prior season or seasons Brady had less talent.

And I agree they overachieved last year. Cam had to carry them and bail them out. Of course your team gets exposed in the postseason bc of it. He isn't the real Superman

Cam Newton is not close to Superman

 

This is entirely arbitrary, since you or anyone can just poo poo on it, so I will give a slight effort because it is all controversial and matter of opinion with no factual proof.  Yearly stats or overall body of work?  Or do I just ignore stats?  I mean, Steve Smith has done everything and then some to the Gronkowski and Hernandez duo.

 

Look at LaFell.  Look how much better he is in New England where he is their 3rd WR and still on pace for 1,000 yards.  Sure, Gronk and Edelman help, but Benjamin still has more yards then Edelman and is just 4 yards behind Gronk.  So, Benjamin is right there with Gronk this year.  Behind that you have Steve Smith, a HOF'er.  

 

The Panthers have had Newton lined up with All Pro or Pro Bowlers: Kalil, Gross, Steve Smith, Mike Tolbert

 

Newton has had a rather good OL for hist short career, Gross and Kalil were huge for him and Bell was servicable on the Right.  He has also had one of the best RB duos in the league - something Brady has never had.  The worst year for Newton was his rookie year - Naanee and Shockey?  But they had Stewart and Williams tearing it up and good ol' Olsen and Smith combining for 2000 yards in the air, nonetheless.  This behind a very good OL of Wharton, Gross, Hangartner, Bell and Kalil.

 

It is a much smaller window to judge but he has had as much or better talent throughout his short tenure.

 

Brady has had only he and Logan Mankins the last two years.  Before that Welker and Gronk were on that list (2012) with Brian Waters joining those guys in 2011.  Before that, Matt Light, Brady and Welker and so on... Even to 2007 where Randy Moss was about of gas but with Terrific Tom able to revitilatize himself.

 

Over the course of his career - though, he had one great catcher every year and usually a very good OL.  But, there were a lot of nobodies and liabilities on that team.  Ben Watson was half Olsen is, though I think more of Olsen then I do Gronk because of depenability.  Brady had overhyped Branch and Givens, megahype Stallworth and Fauria...

Put it this way, after these guys left NE they did not do anything in the league.  The only one who did - Welker.  Where is Blount?  What will Thompkins be doing next year?  Where is Aaron Dobson?  Where is Brandon Tate?  Crumpler?  What was Troy Brown in his second stint in NE?  What about Corey Dillon for that half season he strung together?  Kevin Faulk, David Patten (he was MVP of the freaking Super Bowl!)...

Look at who has played in NE, look at the OL Brady has had thru the course of his career.  Anyone who plays with Brady looks to be a lot better then they actually are and if you do not believe me you'll just have to take my word for it because I watch a lot of football and watch both the Panthers and Patriots closely.

 

Newton has wasted more talent around him then many QB's in his time because he cannot manage the game effectively.  But, boy, can the throw it, sling it, chuck it and toss it.  The guy can throw but he isn't a very good QB some times.

 

Sources:

Pats

Panthers

[CRA]

I love you. You're awesome. Coolest dude. EVER.

There are more Bills fans in the Carolina's then Panthers fans. Also, more Steelers, Bears, Cowboys, and Argonaut fans.

Feel free to be man enough to quote me so I am sure not to miss your amazing wit and stellar remarks. What I said has nothing to do with the Bills but do not let that take away from your insecurity in your own team.

Cam Newton is not close to Superman

This is entirely arbitrary, since you or anyone can just poo poo on it, so I will give a slight effort because it is all controversial and matter of opinion with no factual proof. Yearly stats or overall body of work? Or do I just ignore stats? I mean, Steve Smith has done everything and then some to the Gronkowski and Hernandez duo.

Look at LaFell. Look how much better he is in New England where he is their 3rd WR and still on pace for 1,000 yards. Sure, Gronk and Edelman help, but Benjamin still has more yards then Edelman and is just 4 yards behind Gronk. So, Benjamin is right there with Gronk this year. Behind that you have Steve Smith, a HOF'er.

The Panthers have had Newton lined up with All Pro or Pro Bowlers: Kalil, Gross, Steve Smith, Mike Tolbert

Newton has had a rather good OL for hist short career, Gross and Kalil were huge for him and Bell was servicable on the Right. He has also had one of the best RB duos in the league - something Brady has never had. The worst year for Newton was his rookie year - Naanee and Shockey? But they had Stewart and Williams tearing it up and good ol' Olsen and Smith combining for 2000 yards in the air, nonetheless. This behind a very good OL of Wharton, Gross, Hangartner, Bell and Kalil.

It is a much smaller window to judge but he has had as much or better talent throughout his short tenure.

Brady has had only he and Logan Mankins the last two years. Before that Welker and Gronk were on that list (2012) with Brian Waters joining those guys in 2011. Before that, Matt Light, Brady and Welker and so on... Even to 2007 where Randy Moss was about of gas but with Terrific Tom able to revitilatize himself.

Over the course of his career - though, he had one great catcher every year and usually a very good OL. But, there were a lot of nobodies and liabilities on that team. Ben Watson was half Olsen is, though I think more of Olsen then I do Gronk because of depenability. Brady had overhyped Branch and Givens, megahype Stallworth and Fauria...

Put it this way, after these guys left NE they did not do anything in the league. The only one who did - Welker. Where is Blount? What will Thompkins be doing next year? Where is Aaron Dobson? Where is Brandon Tate? Crumpler? What was Troy Brown in his second stint in NE? What about Corey Dillon for that half season he strung together? Kevin Faulk, David Patten (he was MVP of the freaking Super Bowl!)...

Look at who has played in NE, look at the OL Brady has had thru the course of his career. Anyone who plays with Brady looks to be a lot better then they actually are and if you do not believe me you'll just have to take my word for it because I watch a lot of football and watch both the Panthers and Patriots closely.

Newton has wasted more talent around him then many QB's in his time because he cannot manage the game effectively. But, boy, can the throw it, sling it, chuck it and toss it. The guy can throw but he isn't a very good QB some times.

Sources:

Pats

Panthers

Carolina treats him as Superman. He isn't. No one can do what they are asking of him.

All that and I couldn't make out which year you were giving as an example of Brady having a worst supporting cast. Maybe you could just name a year he has had worse talent than Cam does this year. Let's start simple and then can get indepth.

[MHS831]

He also holds onto the ball too long.  If you know the line sucks, get rid of it if the first 2 reads are covered.

[KillerKat]

Panthers: "It's all mental for Cam"

[CRA]

He also holds onto the ball too long. If you know the line sucks, get rid of it if the first 2 reads are covered.

You have to hold onto the ball if your offense is built around downfield developing routes. So part of it is basically built in. Yes, he does hold the ball longer than most QBs. So does Big Ben. They do it for a reason. Bc they often can evade what brings down most.

So you have to take the bad with the good. If Big Ben didn't hold on to the ball too long.....he wouldn't be as good.

It would help our O more if we had speed and guys that could get open more consistantly.

Yes Cam has flaws. Biggest issues is all our other positional flaws and coaching flaws get projected on him too

[BuffaloBills62]

Carolina treats him as Superman. He isn't. No one can do what they are asking of him.

All that and I couldn't make out which year you were giving as an example of Brady having a worst supporting cast. Maybe you could just name a year he has had worse talent than Cam does this year. Let's start simple and then can get indepth.

ah, the defensive stance in this argument.  Make me disprove what you are incapable of and then defend your stance against my statement.  Good call.

 

Assume the following to the Pro Bowl

Pats: Brady, Gronk

Panthers: Newton, Olsen and possibly Benjamin

 

This year Brady has Panthers failure LaFell on pace for 1,000 yards, something Newton could not dream of doing (LaFell is their third leader in catching).  He is playing behind one of the worst lines in his career with nothing more then LaFell, Gronk and Edelman - and they're 9th in the league at total offense thus far.

 

Anyway, 2013, 2009, 2006, 2005, 2002, 2001.  On offense, Brady had less or as much then Newton has had for his career, including this year.

[BuffaloBills62]

WTF

Yeah, okay, get back to me when Brady plays with 6-7 UDFAs at the line, running back and receiver position (that doesn't include rookies either) and Mike fugging Shula as his OC.

Stewart and Williams are considered one of the best backfields in the league.

 

They have a young developing OL.  Fans always harp on their own OL, every team in this league save for maybe 4.  Go look at KC's board, Miami's board, or a few others.  Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

Your WR's, I was told at least, prior to the season are one of the best units in the league and far better then Buffalo's lineup.  Avant was better then anyone would want to believe, Cotchery was going to give valuable possessions, Benjamin was OROY, and the Bills would be lucky to have Bersin - who would probably be their best WR.

 

Now, halfway in to a season you fans tell me this unit is garbage?

 

I'd have agreed with you if I was down on your unit to begin with.  Cotchery is long in the tooth but he has always played with a ton of heart and I have followed him from New Jersey.  Avant is a good weapon to have in your arsenal, not great but good.  You simply lack break free and open the lid speed.

 

Brady's OL is only known about because they get so much hype and they're on TV so much.

 

 

LT - Solder - 1st round

LG - Cannon -5th round

LG - Connolly - UDFA

OC - Stork - 4th

RG- Wendell - UDFA

RT - Vollmer - 2nd

 

depth:

Josh Kline - UDFA

Jordan Devey - UDFA

 

Surprising, huh?  I know Solder was drafted in the first but he has been awful for much of his career compared to the position which he was drafted.

 

 

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LT - Byron Bell - UDFA

RG - Amini Silatolu - 2nd

OC - Kalil - 2nd

RG - Turner - 3rd

RT - Chandler - UDFA

 

depth

Norwell - UDFA

Foucault - UDFA

Folkerts - UDFA

Remmers - UDFA

Scott - 5th

Velasco - UDFA

 

Ya'll need some scouts that know how to find OL.  That's a lot of OL on the active roster.  Draft some OL for christ sakes.

[CPF4LIFE]

In a down field passing attack u need receivers with speed and O linemen that can block and we don't have neither. Its total fuging crapfest

[TonyN]

 

Stewart and Williams are considered one of the best backfields in the league.

 

They have a young developing OL.  Fans always harp on their own OL, every team in this league save for maybe 4.  Go look at KC's board, Miami's board, or a few others.  Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

Your WR's, I was told at least, prior to the season are one of the best units in the league and far better then Buffalo's lineup.  Avant was better then anyone would want to believe, Cotchery was going to give valuable possessions, Benjamin was OROY, and the Bills would be lucky to have Bersin - who would probably be their best WR.

 

Now, halfway in to a season you fans tell me this unit is garbage?

 

I'd have agreed with you if I was down on your unit to begin with.  Cotchery is long in the tooth but he has always played with a ton of heart and I have followed him from New Jersey.  Avant is a good weapon to have in your arsenal, not great but good.  You simply lack break free and open the lid speed.

 

Brady's OL is only known about because they get so much hype and they're on TV so much.

 

 

LT - Solder - 1st round

LG - Cannon -5th round

LG - Connolly - UDFA

OC - Stork - 4th

RG- Wendell - UDFA

RT - Vollmer - 2nd

 

depth:

Josh Kline - UDFA

Jordan Devey - UDFA

 

Surprising, huh?  I know Solder was drafted in the first but he has been awful for much of his career compared to the position which he was drafted.

 

 

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edit:

 

LT - Byron Bell - UDFA

RG - Amini Silatolu - 2nd

OC - Kalil - 2nd

RG - Turner - 3rd

RT - Chandler - UDFA

 

depth

Norwell - UDFA

Foucault - UDFA

Folkerts - UDFA

Remmers - UDFA

Scott - 5th

Velasco - UDFA

 

Ya'll need some scouts that know how to find OL.  That's a lot of OL on the active roster.  Draft some OL for christ sakes.

 

 

 

Your penchant for basing most of your posts on actual facts and statistics is very annoying to most Huddlers.

 

You need to get with the program and make 20 posts a day based on nothing more than unsubstantiated opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBills62]

Your penchant for basing most of your posts on actual facts and statistics is very annoying to most Huddlers.

 

You need to get with the program and make 20 posts a day based on nothing more than unsubstantiated opinion.

Genius idea here...whatdayathink...

 

I am going to Google Steve Smith 5 times a day and then post a thread on every thing he says whilst putting it in a way that he hates the Carolina Panthers!!!

[CRA]

ah, the defensive stance in this argument. Make me disprove what you are incapable of and then defend your stance against my statement. Good call.

Assume the following to the Pro Bowl

Pats: Brady, Gronk

Panthers: Newton, Olsen and possibly Benjamin

This year Brady has Panthers failure LaFell on pace for 1,000 yards, something Newton could not dream of doing (LaFell is their third leader in catching). He is playing behind one of the worst lines in his career with nothing more then LaFell, Gronk and Edelman - and they're 9th in the league at total offense thus far.

Anyway, 2013, 2009, 2006, 2005, 2002, 2001. On offense, Brady had less or as much then Newton has had for his career, including this year.

I'll do the work, just wanted some specifics

So in 2013, 2009, 2006, 2005, 2002, and 2001.......QBs aside, Patriots had worse offensive units than the 2014 Panthers?

I'll be back. Eating with some people. We can talk about. LOL....you put the 2001 Super Bowl team on their back when Brady wasn't even Tom Freaking Brady? Okay. I'll start with that year when I get back

[BuffaloBills62]

I'll do the work, just wanted some specifics

So in 2013, 2009, 2006, 2005, 2002, and 2001.......QBs aside, Patriots had worse offensive units than the 2014 Panthers?

I'll be back. Eating with some people. We can talk about. LOL....you put the 2001 Super Bowl team on their back when Brady wasn't even Tom Freaking Brady? Okay. I'll start with that year when I get back

Tom Brady was not Tom Brady in 2001?  He musta been Thomas Brady or maybe Tommy Brady.

 

Either way, better hurry because I have an important date tonight at 8:25...

[mav1234]

Stewart and Williams are considered one of the best backfields in the league

If only it was still 2008...

[mav1234]

Cam's no Brady... But Rivera is no Belicheck, either. Cam could - and has - played better, but our playcalling and ol play have done nothing at all to help him.