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[CRA]

You’re absolutely right. As people probably already know, I fully disagree with signing Cam to a mega contract for the reasons you mentioned. You don't invest in a QB that already looks like he is wearing down and still is not a very good passer. It would be stupid. We are in dire need of WAY more positions than an average QB. That's why I say trade Cam for a lot of draft picks (and trust me, teams most definitely will) and start all over and attempt to build a complete team. I know Panther fans love him and think he can be elite with offensive weapons, but I still think he would struggle because he is just not a good QB.

You evaluate QBs as a pocket passer when they have a line that gives a pocket. Cam is forced to play survival.

If Cam was average.....he wouldn't of be used to mask all of our holes and be a one man offense

[WhoAmI?]

There's no way that you believe all of what you just typed.

I literally lol'd.

 

I don't get what's funny. Cam has been an average passer all 4 years in his career ranking slap dead in the middle in terms of QB rating, completion %, YPG, YPA, etc.This is just what you are going to get with him... an average QB. So you are telling me that you would pay Cam top 5 QB money even though he is an average passer?

 

[CRA]

I don't get what's funny. Cam has been an average passer all 4 years in his career ranking slap dead in the middle in terms of QB rating, completion %, YPG, YPA, etc.This is just what you are going to get with him... an average QB. So you are telling me that you would pay Cam top 5 QB money even though he is an average passer?

Problem is you don't evalaute Manning and Cam the same way.

Just like you don't evaluate Jerome Bettis and Darren Sproles the same.

Cam isn't average. There may be parts to his game that are. There are also parts that poo all over everyone

[WhoAmI?]

You evaluate QBs as a pocket passer when they have a line that gives a pocket. Cam is forced to play survival.

If Cam was average.....he wouldn't of be used to mask all of our holes and be a one man offense

 

Ok. I evaluated Cam last year and the year before that when he had a decent O-line that allowed him time to pass. He still was average even then. He is a hit and miss QB, what don't you get? Getting a good O-line will obviously help Cam a lot, but he would still be the same passer and QB he is today, just wouldn't be hit as much. He would still stare down receivers, overthrow them, complete about 57-60% of his passes, and he would still fail to read a defense. You people act like Cam would all of a sudden be an elite QB if he got a good O-line and weapons. No doubt it would help, but this is just what Cam is.... an erratic QB who will have very good games, but overall, will always be inconsistent in his pre-snap reads and accuracy.

 

[TheRed]

I don't get what's funny. Cam has been an average passer all 4 years in his career ranking slap dead in the middle in terms of QB rating, completion %, YPG, YPA, etc.This is just what you are going to get with him... an average QB. So you are telling me that you would pay Cam top 5 QB money even though he is an average passer?

You don't pay your quarterback based on rankings lol.

Cam Newton is one of the fastest quarterbacks in NFL history to reach 100 total touchdowns.

You pay him based on what he brings to his team. Newton isn't playing particularly great right now, but he is behind one of the worst OL's I've ever seen, and the rest of the team isn't exactly lighting things up either. He has shown what he can bring to the table with the right protection. If you move on from him you better be damn sure that you have a long term solution in place that will actually work, or fans like you will be jumping ship to another bandwagon when the team is drafting a new quarterback every few years like the Browns or the Jaguars.

[WhoAmI?]

Problem is you don't evalaute Manning and Cam the same way.

Just like you don't evaluate Jerome Bettis and Darren Sproles the same.

Cam isn't average. There may be parts to his game that are. There are also parts that poo all over everyone

 

No doubt about that. However, you are starting to see his running ability deteriorate and will continue to do so because of his style of play. Of course his running ability and escapeability sh*ts on a lot of other QB's, but eventually, he will have to learn to play in the pocket. And when that happens, you end up with a vastly overpaid average QB.

[TheRed]

No doubt about that. However, you are starting to see his running ability deteriorate and will continue to do so because of his style of play. Of course his running ability and escapeability sh*ts on a lot of other QB's, but eventually, he will have to learn to play in the pocket. And when that happens, you end up with a vastly overpaid average QB.

Are you literally insane?

He looked damn good in the pocket those first few games this year when he actually had adequate protection on the OL.

[CRA]

Ok. I evaluated Cam last year and the year before that when he had a decent O-line that allowed him time to pass. He still was average even then. He is a hit and miss QB, what don't you get? Getting a good O-line will obviously help Cam a lot, but he would still be the same passer and QB he is today, just wouldn't be hit as much. He would still stare down receivers, overthrow them, complete about 57-60% of his passes, and he would still fail to read a defense. You people act like Cam would all of a sudden be an elite QB if he got a good O-line and weapons. No doubt it would help, but this is just what Cam is.... an erratic QB who will have very good games, but overall, will always be inconsistent in his pre-snap reads and accuracy.

We had a weak line last year too.

Only season we had a decent OL was his rookie year. He rewrote the record book by the way that season.

[TheRed]

By the way WhoAmI, if your argument is that Newton shouldn't be paid based on where he is ranked passer wise, you may not want to look at a certain quarterback who plays for the Colts passer rating ranking his first few years lol.

Hint: He was lower than Newton.

Guess there's no way the Colts give that guy another contract, am I right?

[WhoAmI?]

You don't pay your quarterback based on rankings lol.

Cam Newton is one of the fastest quarterbacks in NFL history to reach 100 total touchdowns.

You pay him based on what he brings to his team. Newton isn't playing particularly great right now, but he is behind one of the worst OL's I've ever seen, and the rest of the team isn't exactly lighting things up either. He has shown what he can bring to the table with the right protection. If you move on from him you better be damn sure that you have a long term solution in place that will actually work, or fans like you will be jumping ship to another bandwagon when the team is drafting a new quarterback every few years like the Browns or the Jaguars.

 

The rankings part was merely to show you where he ranks among other QB's, which is mediocre. Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. I would be all for Cam staying, BUT NOT AT THE PRICE HE IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO ASK FOR, especially when you are an average QB in terms of pure passing. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my $100+ million investment to be more exposed to hits and injury because of his playing style. Also, I havn't jumped ship for 12 years now, no way in hell I would do it now. I just think loading up on 1st and 2nd round draft picks (trading Cam) would be a much better long-term option for building a complete team than overpaying for an erratic, inconsistent QB.

 

 

[Nick_81]

We had a weak line last year too.

Only season we had a decent OL was his rookie year. He rewrote the record book by the way that season.

Just to add, last year we gave up 43 sacks. 30 so far this year.  That's less than half a sack per game difference.  OL definitely wasn't much better last season.

[CRA]

The rankings part was merely to show you where he ranks among other QB's, which is mediocre. Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. I would be all for Cam staying, BUT NOT AT THE PRICE HE IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO ASK FOR, especially when you are an average QB in terms of pure passing. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my $100+ million investment to be more exposed to hits and injury because of his playing style. Also, I havn't jumped ship for 12 years now, no way in hell I would do it now. I just think loading up on 1st and 2nd round draft picks (trading Cam) would be a much better long-term option for building a complete team than overpaying for an erratic, inconsistent QB.

Why don't you check out 3rd down conversions...compare Cam to some other guys. But I guess you would want to talk about all those would you.....bc he picks them up in ways that Peyton Manning doesn't and all QBs have to fit the same mold.

Cam does some crazy poo. People haven't talked about it much though. They only want to talk about the few traditinal things the 4th year player is still working on

[TheRed]

The rankings part was merely to show you where he ranks among other QB's, which is mediocre. Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. I would be all for Cam staying, BUT NOT AT THE PRICE HE IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO ASK FOR, especially when you are an average QB in terms of pure passing. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my $100+ million investment to be more exposed to hits and injury because of his playing style. Also, I havn't jumped ship for 12 years now, no way in hell I would do it now. I just think loading up on 1st and 2nd round draft picks (trading Cam) would be a much better long-term option for building a complete team than overpaying for an erratic, inconsistent QB.

Read the post I made above yours.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

....423 rushing attempts in his career....

 

...schefter, you are an idot