It's becoming very clear to me

[Mr. Scot]

It could be argued that we have the talent to be consistent now. I would strongly disagree, but I think if we had a different offensive coordinator and a decent line we could be a hell of a lot better.

How do u explain the tension of Shula?

 

I explain Shula like

 

[Johnny Rockets]

We've begged for years for consistency. And I agree, Gettleman is doing what he thinks needs to be done to field a winner for the future. What fans don't get is that we may have to suffer through a couple bad seasons in order to build a winner for years to come. We can get mad all we want, but I think this plan is solid and has Richardson's approval. It wouldn't surprise me if we keep Rivera around through the process. What other coach could be lured in with a plan of "we're going to play our current guys and cheap fill ins until the old, bad contracts expire?"

 

Also, don't be surprised if we tell Kalil and CJ to take less money or walk. We might field an offensive line of 2-3 rookies and the cast offs we have now. Our D-Line might be Ealy, Star, KK, and Addison with 1 year contract stop gap veteran minimum guys rotating in. This is what we have guys. This year and next might be the most painful Panthers seasons of their 20 year existence. If we can ride it out and see it through, we might actually have consistency in the years to come.

 

We have good, young talent (Luke, Benji, Norman, Cam, Star, KK) and if Richardson allows Gettleman to stick to his plan, we might look back and compare them to the days of Smitty, Moose, Gross, DLo, Jenkins, and Pep. 

 

 

On board with everything you said there. 

 

The biggest concern I have is who is still standing when the dust settles. Most importantly the franchise QB. You have to wonder just how much of a beating he can take before he totally breaks down physically and mentally. Before the Cam fanboys jump all over me for that statement, I am in no way calling Cam soft or a mental midget. No QB in the league can withstand the beatings he is taking over the course of 2 or 3 seasons and not be adversely affected in a big way. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if Gettleman sat down with Cam and explained the long term plan and the struggles he will face until they reach that point. I doubt it because G-man doesn't seem like that type but I obviously I do not know the man at all.

 

I am not sure that it would matter though because I don't think G-man, Ron, or Cam saw the beating he is taking now coming. Cam may not be overcoming adversity as well as the organization wants him to, but the adversity they have set him up to face is much more than any QB should have to overcome and it doesn't look like it is going to end anytime soon. 

 

That's all I got for now, I am late for a spray tan appointment. 

[Towelboy]

It could be argued that we have the talent to be consistent now. I would strongly disagree, but I think if we had a different offensive coordinator and a decent line we could be a hell of a lot better.

How do u explain the tension of Shula?

 

I think if any coach gets canned, it would be Shula. The game clearly left him behind years ago. I guess my point was Gettleman has a plan that might field a garbage team with the hopes that his gambles will pay off. This year it hasn't played out that way. I do think that a different coordinator could draw up a game plan that features our talents while taking advantage of the defenses weaknesses. I don't know who that guy is, but if Gettleman finds him, we could easily add a couple wins to our record.

[Mr. Scot]

On board with everything you said there. 

 

The biggest concern I have is who is still standing when the dust settles. Most importantly the franchise QB. You have to wonder just how much of a beating he can take before he totally breaks down physically and mentally. Before the Cam fanboys jump all over me for that statement, I am in no way calling Cam soft or a mental midget. No QB in the league can withstand the beatings he is taking over the course of 2 or 3 seasons and not be adversely affected in a big way. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if Gettleman sat down with Cam and explained the long term plan and the struggles he will face until they reach that point. I doubt it because G-man doesn't seem like that type but I obviously I do not know the man at all.

 

I am not sure that it would matter though because I don't think G-man, Ron, or Cam saw the beating he is taking now coming. Cam may not be overcoming adversity as well as the organization wants him to, but the adversity they have set him up to face is much more than any QB should have to overcome and it doesn't look like it is going to end anytime soon. 

 

Ron has been championing guys whom everyone else knew weren't good enough pretty much since he was hired here, so no, I don't think he saw this coming.

 

I think he legitimately believed Bell was a good enough left tackle, just like he believed Sione Fua could be a good defensive (or offensive) tackle, thought Charles Godfrey could be a great defensive back and believed Captain Munnerlyn could be an outside corner rather than a nickel .

 

Have said many times already, Gettleman would have been smarter to have left Rivera out of the roster building process.

[Nick_81]

basically it was either done on purpose or by incompetence. Reasons it could have been done on purpose are: On top of being saddled with bad contracts, we weren't in a position to build a Super Bowl contender like Denver and New England, so tank the season to:

1) get better draft picks to make us stronger for the future

2) drive down the value of our core guys so we don't have to spend as much on them when their contracts are up, giving us more money for the future so we can get even more talent

A few years from now, we will have Cam, KB, Luke, Star, Short, Ealy, Turner, etc in their primes. If we have them signed to very reasonable Panther-friendly contacts (like the Patriots often do) and we have stock-piled draft picks (like the Patriots do), then we will be in position to assemble an annual Super Bowl contender (like the Patriots do) with an aged 28-29 Cam at the helm

You can sign people, depending on who they are, to Panther-friendly contracts without shitting on them.  They're not going to sign one here if they're getting shat on anyway.  Guys like Cam, Luke, KK, and Star will get paid their market value elsewhere, no problem.  Do you think other organizations won't be able to see the poo happening?  Those guys are one-offs that you can't get just anywhere.  They'll make close to what they want, whether they're here or somewhere else.  This team can go from pretender to contender this off-season fairly easily.  I'm going to see what he does, and how he does it, before I take a stab at the suggested intentions.  I say it's a mixture some bad luck, some bad decisions, and a bad situation to walk into, over the conspiracy route.

[AU-panther]

Ron has been championing guys whom everyone else knew weren't good enough pretty much since he was hired here, so no, I don't think he saw this coming.

 

I think he legitimately believed Bell was a good enough left tackle, just like he believed Sione Fua could be a good defensive (or offensive) tackle, thought Charles Godfrey could be a great defensive back and believed Captain Munnerlyn could be an outside corner rather than a nickel .

 

Have said many times already, Gettleman would have been smarter to have left Rivera out of the roster building process.

 

In theory DG has final say on roster moves but in reality in most organizations the coaches have considerable input.  I would guess there have been some disagreements and compromises throughout the DG/RR time together.

 

As fans we will never really know but it would be interesting to know some of the discussions that have gone on in the past.

 

For all we know DG might have wanted to let Hardy walk and RR might have wanted to sign him long term.  Maybe the tag was a compromise to transition us another year.  Maybe RR begged for a different LT and DG told him Bell was good enough and to deal with it.  Maybe DG told RR that he could have an upgrade for the oline or keep Hardy for a year but we couldn't afford both.  Or maybe DG wanted to keep Hardy and RR begged for secondary help.

 

The point is as fans we aren't privy to all the inner workings of the front office so it can make it difficult to know who to blame.

 

[PantherFanOne]

I thought that crowd was saying he sabotaged Cam to drive his contract price down to Alex Smith's type of deal.  Yet no, I don't believe in any conspiracy theory.  Now Gettleman just has some wriggle room in coming up with an excuse to get rid of him.  I think he wants to bring his own guy in.  As for my personal feelings about Cam, it's best if we did trade him.  He's done here in Carolina.

 

I totally agree with you statements.Cam is a great athlete but may never be a QB that fits our long term plan. We may not want a QB that takes a large amount of our cap space, but chose to have an average one and surround him with a lot of talent,it's hard to do both. I am just not certain  the Panthers view Cam as a QB that can put a team on his back and carry it.Whether my assumptions are correct or not,one things certain,decisions will have to be made soon pertaining to his future as a Carolina Panther.

[Mr. Scot]

In theory DG has final say on roster moves but in reality in most organizations the coaches have considerable input.  I would guess there have been some disagreements and compromises throughout the DG/RR time together.

 

As fans we will never really know but it would be interesting to know some of the discussions that have gone on in the past.

 

For all we know DG might have wanted to let Hardy walk and RR might have wanted to sign him long term.  Maybe the tag was a compromise to transition us another year.  Maybe RR begged for a different LT and DG told him Bell was good enough and to deal with it.  Maybe DG told RR that he could have an upgrade for the oline or keep Hardy for a year but we couldn't afford both.  Or maybe DG wanted to keep Hardy and RR begged for secondary help.

 

The point is as fans we aren't privy to all the inner workings of the front office so it can make it difficult to know who to blame.

 

 

No, but I'm going by Ron's own words on this.

 

People can say "he's not gonna throw a guy under the bus" and maybe not.  But he doesn't have to praise them either, and Ron's had plenty of praise for guys like Bell, Chandler, Fua and others.  And again, that was true even before Gettleman got here.

 

I don't think Rivera agreed with the release of Steve Smith though.