Ron Rivera's Coaching Hires (and Fires)

[Jrock88]

nice summary of how bad our coaching staff is... thanks

[CarolinaNCSU]

I wonder if thought was ever given to bringing in Weinke as the QB coach...or if he'd have any interest in it. 

[Mr. Scot]

That's cause he's not a shitty boss. A good owner should hire a head coach and general manager he trusts to run the football side of the organization, and then he should give them the freedom to do just that.

 

That's why Dave Gettleman is in place now.  And why Richardson trusted the selection process to Ernie Accorsi rather than doing it himself.

 

As many mistakes as Richardson has made, he's shown that he actually is capable of learning from those mistakes.

 

[Mr. Scot]

And to be fair, there are things we should remember...

 

Building a coaching staff is not an easy task.  Very few coaches get the staff they want from the very start.  Teams block interviews of coaches you want (like Wilks).  Sometimes the team you work for wants you to hire someone that isn't your choice (The Bears wanting Rivera on Lovie Smith's staff, for example).

 

Sometimes in the process you wind up settling for someone, at least temporarily.  But then what happens when the guy who wasn't your top choice actually does a good job?  For that matter, what do you do when the guy you really want doesn't want to work for you?

 

It usually takes at least a few years before most coaches assemble a staff that's something close to what they want.  And of course when you get a guy who's good at his job, then other teams come sniffing after them.

 

So yeah, building a staff is not a simple thing.

 

But with all that said, I think Rivera's overall record contains more bad than good, and it ties in to my belief that he's not a great evaluator (whether it's coaches, or players).

[carolina-chuck]

Lol Mr. Scot

[neverlosethefeeling]

That's why Dave Gettleman is in place now.  And why Richardson trusted the selection process to Ernie Accorsi rather than doing it himself.

 

As many mistakes as Richardson has made, he's shown that he actually is capable of learning from those mistakes.

 

 

Yeah, I just tend to believe that it's a good thing when your owner isn't interfering with the personnel side of the organization. They're not very good at hiring head coaches and general managers, why would you want them weighing in on your defensive backs coach and offensive quality control specialist? The owners that do that--and even worse, make player personnel decisions--are notoriously bad at it and their teams suffer because of it.

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah, I just tend to believe that it's a good thing when your owner isn't interfering with the personnel side of the organization. They're not very good at hiring head coaches and general managers, why would you want them weighing in on your defensive backs coach and offensive quality control specialist? The owners that do that--and even worse, make player personnel decisions--are notoriously bad at it and their teams suffer because of it.

 

Like when Richardson reportedly told Jeff Davidson he wasn't even allowed to talk to Steve Smith?

 

Now here we are a few years later and Richardson allowed a GM to do way more than just talk to Smith.  He stood by and did nothing as that GM handed him his walking papers.

 

Stuff like that tells me he's learning.

 

[BuffaloBills62]

What if.... Rex Ryan comes down to coach the D?

Would that be a hire that's good?

Also, Rivera doesn't bring in the coaches by himself. Its about 50/50. Not to mention with Rivera always on the hot seat it is hard to lure in a coach when he probably won't last, regardless of his QB. I don't think there is a

Long list to coach newton.

[Mr. Scot]

What if.... Rex Ryan comes down to coach the D?

Would that be a hire that's good?

Also, Rivera doesn't bring in the coaches by himself. Its about 50/50. Not to mention with Rivera always on the hot seat it is hard to lure in a coach when he probably won't last, regardless of his QB. I don't think there is a

Long list to coach newton.

 

There are always guys who come in thinking "I can take that same garbage roster that the last guy failed with and turn it into a championship team".

 

Ego is all but a requirement for an NFL coaching job.

[panthers55]

Why is Ramsdell not Cams QB coach or even an OC?

poo like the why we never establish consistent success

That is a good question. Why is Ramsdell here? To help Shula, Cam or in case Shula struggles to have him in the wings. I wonder if he wants to be in charge of this group after the players he has worked with. Exactly what is a special assistant anyway. And since he has always been a quarterback coach and never an OC I wonder if he wants to take over Shula's role or even Dorsey. I wonder what Cam thinks and wants. Does he get to pick his coach or at least have input.? I don't know.

[Mr. Scot]

That is a good question. Why is Ramsdell here? To help Shula, Cam or in case Shula struggles to have him in the wings. I wonder if he wants to be in charge of this group after the players he has worked with. Exactly what is a special assistant anyway. And since he has always been a quarterback coach and never an OC I wonder if he wants to take over Shula's role or even Dorsey. I wonder what Cam thinks and wants. Does he get to pick his coach or at least have input.? I don't know.

 

All I know at this point is he's not here for the reason everybody hoped he was.

 

[Nick_81]

All I know at this point is he's not here for the reason everybody hoped he was.

Or is he?

[Mr. Scot]

Or is he?

 

Based on what's been seen so far, doesn't look like it

 

[Mr. Scot]

I'm going back to this topic for a moment because it's really bothering me.

 

Rivera has certainly taken advantage of opportunities to replace some of his initial hires with coaches he thought were better.  In a couple of cases, it was just a matter of replacing guys with whom he wasn't as familiar with guys he knew and had worked with before.

 

So why...why...why leave John Matsko in place when you had at least the opportunity to replace him with Juan Castillo?

 

From what I remember of my assistant coach research, Rivera had no direct history with Matsko.  He and Castillo had actually been colleagues at one time, though.  They worked on the same staff when Rivera was with the Eagles.

 

Heck, why not at least bring him in with a consultant/assistant type role like what he gave to Bruce DeHaven and John Ramsdell?

 

I'll grant you that I'm speculating here, but it's hard for me to let go of the idea that if we'd have brought Castillo on board in some capacity when we had the chance, our OL could possibly have been at least somewhat better than the mess they are right now.

 

Oy