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They Gambled. They Lost. It's That Simple.

fieryprophet

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Everyone wants to find effigies to burn and jobs to be lost and players to be cut and rabble, rabble, rabble.

 

It boils down to one very simple reality: the front office (assign blame between coaches and GM as you wish) lacked the fiscal resources to address all areas of need and decided that the offensive line could hold up if necessary. It was a fatal gamble and they lost. There aren't any real schematic answers that fit with the offensive roster we currently have: we lack the offensive line to establish the running game and play action schemes our core philosophy is built around and other, less line-intensive schemes such as a dink-and-dunk WCO are entirely unsuited to the receiving corps we have.

 

So keep in mind between all of your hell-raising that before amputating every limb off the patient one should wonder if their broken ankle might be the cause that keeps them from walking.

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Inimicus Mentor

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Yes its that simple.

 

But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be repercussions and soon.

 

The Panthers are a billion plus dollar business.  Their management is expected to operate at the highest levels and while not everyone can be the "top dog" this management team isn't even competing near the same level as the bad to mediocre teams.  Its like the other 31 teams are playing a different game.

 

Im hyper aware of the fact that RR and team have forgotten more about this game than Ive ever known but I could have easily assembled a coaching staff that would have surpassed what we saw last night from posters on this forum.  And when there are nine zeros in the net worth of your organization, that's completely unacceptable.

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Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it... and as much as I would like to see some head's roll on the coaching staff, I don't think it would do anything at this point in this season. They're stuck with what they have and have to deal with it... sad.

I agree in part. I would like to see Shula go and give Ramsdell a shot, especially if Rivera may get one more year. At least that MAY give some idea as to how much of the blame goes to Shula.

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I don't think it's just a matter of not having the cap money.

 

Gettleman's biggest mistake has been his 'collaborative approach', working with Rivera and others on all team decisions.

 

Mind you, I have no problem with the approach itself, but the problem is that Rivera is a horrible talent evaluator who defends 'try harder' guys even though the reality is they're just not good enough.

 

Rivera championed guys like Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Charles Godfrey, Sione Fua, Armanti Edwards and others,  Heck, to this day he still defends them for 'doing their best" (insert Sean Connery quote here).

 

You wanna collaborate?  Fine, but collaborate with a guy who knows what he's doing.  Otherwise, you wind up like what we have now.

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It Sucks...and hard. But the OP is right- it's a multi year plan to get us out the multi year screw up... 

 

I hope the front office can continue to add talent that won't last a single season, changing heads will just add to the time to rebuild the org. 

 

I'm still not clear why we don't use another QB that isn't as banged up and has a (easy) win this year...but I digress.

 
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Gambling infers an inability to assess much of the situation and therefor accurately predict the outcome.

 

 

I don't think that applies here. The front office had more than enough information to see what would happen. Hell, we all saw it too. Note how many times I insisted the OL was not solidified in camp and even into preseason.

 

If anything, its negligence, not a lost gamble.

 

 

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I don't think it's just a matter of not having the cap money.

Gettleman's biggest mistake has been his 'collaborative approach', working with Rivera and others on all team decisions.

Mind you, I have no problem with the approach itself, but the problem is that Rivera is a horrible talent evaluator who defends 'try harder' guys even though the reality is they're just not good enough.

Rivera championed guys like Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Charles Godfrey, Sione Fua, Armanti Edwards and others, Heck, to this day he still defends them for 'doing their best" (insert Sean Connery quote here).

You wanna collaborate? Fine, but collaborate with a guy who knows what he's doing. Otherwise, you wind up like what we have now.

Is Rivera lobbying for bad talent?

Or is he just giving PC coach talk with the slop around him. RR is a smart DC. Being that he knows crappy OL players....his job has always been to attack those weak players. I highly doubt RR thinks they are good.

I think he is a coach who talks up his players bc he thinks that is what he has to do IMO

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