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A Current Job Horror Story and a Question For Those in the IT Field...


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Being in IT is a pretty wide area.  There are certain areas of IT that I would personally loathe.  For example, coding and programming.  Can't imagine many jobs I would dislike more.  But there is a lot of opportunity if you are good at it. 

 

Don't know how old you are, are what you like to do, but if it wouldn't impose to much of a financial burden, I would look at several different areas.  Information security, Networking engineering, User support, and the aforementioned programming and coding etc... And sometimes, if you get enough knowledge about a field or a couple of fields, IT project manager can be something worth trying.  Pays fairly well, and there is a significant amount of demand.  And its a difficult position to outsource.  You do have to be on time though.  Not necessarily in the office on time, but on a call or meeting on time is an absolute requirement. 

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Your job is like every job. If you aren't friends with the higher ups you get treated differently. You're better off not getting worked up about it. Just do what you want. If you don't like the job then keep coming in late and slack and if they fire you go file unemployment. With Thom Thillis in office you'll probably only get only 3 days of unemployment pay but take it anyway.

 

IT field is very crowded. They want specialists and there are few to no entry level jobs yet every job wants you to have years of experience. Unless you really have a knack for a certain area or have a bunch of IT guys in your social network who can get you interviews I'd go for something more safe.

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Thank you cwg... I had been reading the cisco stuff was the way to go.

To the "don't be late crowd," there are a couple of points... If I truly cared about the job, then you would be right. But I don't. And a huge part of that was them setting the precedent to write me up despite the extenuating circumstances while ignoring others who were even later than me. You're also completely ignoring the part of them bragging about how they write up who they don't like and leaving the ones they do like alone. Once I saw that was the culture I went from caring and wanting to impress them to not caring at all and just accepting my role within the company.

And you are right, now that the m working nights I don't have the same reasons to be late, and I dont claim to have any other than once they put me in the hole with the first one, I just stopped caring about what they wanted. I hate the job for multiple reasons and their selective enforcement of rules is just one of many reasons. What I didnt share is that although I may have been 5 minutes late or so consistently, I also stay after work taking calls, sometimes up to 20 minutes over in a night... Guess what? I don't get commended for that, don't get kudos for that, I don't get paid anymore for doing it, nothing... So that further shaped my opinion of the place. Why give extra effort when you get nothing in return. They'll write me up for something they don't have to and ignore all of the great things I do that outweigh being 2 minutes late.

In all honesty, I have had trouble with punctuality my whole life, especially with some things that I just didn't have a passion for. So 2-5 minutes late is a huge step for me... I'm just not built to be some cookie-cutter, corporate robot-type. I don't do it on purpose, but it's just how I am. Regardless, I know I'm responsible for my actions, but the issue still remains that what is late is not explicitly stated in their policies and they do not enforce it evenly or consistently across all employees.

But the reason I asked about IT was so I could enter a field where I didnt come in without any leverage where someone ends up setting the tone for me based on their actions... I would have a lot more autonomy and essentially be working for myself in some aspects.

 

 

if i were your manager i would fire you on the spot. Because the bolded parts are obviously showing through to your work colleagues and supervisors. At the VERY LEAST you need to be thankful that you have a sugar momma because you obviously take having a job for granted while there are people out there starving and going bankrupt you're going rage fest and bitching about being wrote up for being late. Who gives a flying fug if other people are not. 

 

you expect people to commend you for everything it seems like. you expect. you feel entitled.

 

Keep your head down, do your job, keep doing the extra you said you were and BE ON TIME. it's really not that hard. If this isn't what you want to do with your life. Find something else. office politics are everywhere so get use to it.

 

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Maybe i'm just weird but i show up a minimum of 15 mins early every day. Just as with football to me if i'm 5 minutes early im about 15 minutes late. I do this 1. Because half the job is showing up and 2. Because I can gameplan my strategy for the day because poo in Grocery stores change on a whim especially when you have a different assistant every night ( I'm the Dairy Manager for a Publix that is top 3 in a region that includes Tallahassee stores which on Saturdays do about a million bucks more business on average. ) Anyhow they put a random stocker to handle the cooler while i'm not there that doesn't care so if im not there early to  fix it I can potentially not have room for my truck or have a poo load of product not rotated  or out of date on the shelf and the punctuality helps me to catch that poo.

 

 As for the politics in the workplace even in a stand up company like the one i'm in favoritism is still indeed a thing and you'll see it no matter where you go. Best to give them the finger keep your mouth shut and outwork them.

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I have been there done that many times. Pd.

All the political drama and running your own biz aside, being on time will forever be necessary. Even if you do your own thing try showing up to a deal late. For some high powered people thats such a major peeve they won't do business.

Right or wrong you are on the radar. Like many have said here just keep your head down and transcend.

As usual im contrarian here on this. I say make sure you are playing hoops or coaching kids or some type of outlet to keep your head clear.

I have to play a sport not so much for cardio/excerise but it helps me to burn off stress and gets me right mentally.

If you can afford take a course or get a professional mentor to help you navigate your next move.

I personally believe over 60% of our workforce is misemployed. They may be making good money but the job doesn't match their passion or talent. Im making great money and the flexibility is great but im not challenged and it's not my ideal gig.

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if i were your manager i would fire you on the spot. Because the bolded parts are obviously showing through to your work colleagues and supervisors. At the VERY LEAST you need to be thankful that you have a sugar momma because you obviously take having a job for granted while there are people out there starving and going bankrupt you're going rage fest and bitching about being wrote up for being late. Who gives a flying fug if other people are not.

you expect people to commend you for everything it seems like. you expect. you feel entitled.

Keep your head down, do your job, keep doing the extra you said you were and BE ON TIME. it's really not that hard. If this isn't what you want to do with your life. Find something else. office politics are everywhere so get use to it.

I just wanted to touch on the "you sound entitled" crap that has popped up multiple times I this thread... Thats another thing I resent.

I literally came from nothing. I have never been favored anywhere I have been by those in charge, in fact, I have usually been the exact opposite. From elementary school through adulthood. So I've had to fight and scrape and claw for any and everything that I get.

So yeah, when I do ten things right and one thing wrong, and you punish me for the one thing I do wrong, then yes, I'm going to let it show that I'm not happy.

It's easy to say, 'who cares what everyone else is doing, focus on you, " when you haven't been the odd man out. And the ridiculous part about what qualifies as late is that i' m in the building or even at my seat by the start of the shift but if you log in anytime after the shift, it's late. Furthermore, the office favorites may come clock in early, but then immediately log out after the shift starts and goes outside to smoke for 20 minutes. Lol... That's okay?

It's not being entitled. It's being fair. If you are going to lambast me and torture me for being late, but I do everything else exceptionally better than most of my peers, you sure as hell better recognize that too. Like I said previously, I had more positive supervisor calls than anyone I know in the little time I've been there and my team leader was sitting on them. He didn't forward it to our Vp. So you boiling it down to me being an entitled crybaby is incorrect. I want consistency and fairness. Once I saw that I was receiving different treatment, I had no desire to be on time or give extra effort because they ensured that it would take me longer than my peers to ever succeed in the company because of the writeups... Because again, in case you missed it, all of my superiors had stories about hiw they messed up and recieved a "talking to." none of them were ever written up... Point being, I never recieved a talking to, I just got wrote up immediately.

And again, other people brought it to my attention that management was "picking on me." I didn't solicit that.

Lastly, even if I didn't have my wife working I would still be living. These cheap ass jobs paying meager wages and then telling you that you should be thankful are bullshit. No, I'm not going to be thankful for it. If they left me alone and let me do my job and consider that I usually stay later than I am late, then maybe it would be a different story. But if you're going to harass me for doing something that you allow others to do, then I'm going to give you the bare minimum. They take 40 hours of my week and I never will get that back. And what do I get in return? $800-some dollars every two weeks. Lol... Thanks so much.

All that being said, that's why I'm asking about the IT field so I have a skill and am considered to be a valuable asset, so it makes it a lot harder for superiors to designate you the office whipping boy just because they can. I'm looking for a resolution because it's not doing any good for me to be there.

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you make a lot of excuses. and you have a lot of anger issues. that much is apparent.

 

but continue on making excuses for the fact that you are written up because you were late.

 

if i was written up once. i would never be late again. ever.  and being fortunate to actually have a job was meant in context of you going complete bitch mode about getting wrote up for being late. you sound like a child tbh.

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You've really done a great job of convincing yourself that your reasons for not being able to show up for work on time are somehow legitimate.

Unfortunately, your work place isn't convinced.

Either is anyone here.

I'm guessing you have an excuse for everything you are not successful at, and I'm sure it's always someone else's fault.

There comes a time you have to put on your big boy pants and take responsibility for your actions.

Forget what everyone else is doing. Never mind who ELSE is or isn't getting written up. Quit imagining that everyone is out to get you.

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I have been there done that many times. Pd.

All the political drama and running your own biz aside, being on time will forever be necessary. Even if you do your own thing try showing up to a deal late. For some high powered people thats such a major peeve they won't do business.

Right or wrong you are on the radar. Like many have said here just keep your head down and transcend.

As usual im contrarian here on this. I say make sure you are playing hoops or coaching kids or some type of outlet to keep your head clear.

I have to play a sport not so much for cardio/excerise but it helps me to burn off stress and gets me right mentally.

If you can afford take a course or get a professional mentor to help you navigate your next move.

I personally believe over 60% of our workforce is misemployed. They may be making good money but the job doesn't match their passion or talent. Im making great money and the flexibility is great but im not challenged and it's not my ideal gig.

Yeah, that's the problem pstall, being married with three young children combined with working these overnight hours leave me with zero time for myself to play a sport or anything. So that's added to my frustration as well. When I wasnt working, I had tons of time to do it, but now, I haven't played basketball in almost a year and a half and I miss it so bad... So there's that.

And I agree with your other points...

Again, I wanted to drive it home that I didn't start out consistently late here. It happened twice that first week and then they wrote me up despite knowing my circumstances. Then that was what immediately made me decide it didn't matter what I did, so then I showed up late more often. It made me angry. And I also suspect that a huge obstacle for me in the office politics is that this place is FULL of fresh-out-of-college-know-it-all types... Single, free, part-time alcoholics... I'm not into any of that. So its almost as though I was singled out for being distant because of that. They go out together for drinks and such and I just try to do my job and stay in my lane, but they wouldn't let me do that.

And I know being on time is essential. I've never been punctual throughout my life, unless it was for something I actually cared about or was passionate about, as you mentioned. But nothing demotivates me more than selective enforcement of rules and policies. Additionally, it boggles my mind because everywhere I've ever been, they generally give you a 5 to 7 minute grace period before you're considered late... So I was just blown away that they took it to where they did without any warning for the few times I was late to begin with.

Oh well though, like I said, I'm going to look into the cisco stuff like cwg suggested and get that ball rolling. If I'm treated with respect and take pride in what I do, being on time wouldn't be an issue.

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you make a lot of excuses. and you have a lot of anger issues. that much is apparent.

but continue on making excuses for the fact that you are written up because you were late.

if i was written up once. i would never be late again. ever. and being fortunate to actually have a job was meant in context of you going complete bitch mode about getting wrote up for being late. you sound like a child tbh.

You already in management? If not, you should be.

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Yeah, that's the problem pstall, being married with three young children combined with working these overnight hours leave me with zero time for myself to play a sport or anything. So that's added to my frustration as well. When I wasnt working, I had tons of time to do it, but now, I haven't played basketball in almost a year and a half and I miss it so bad... So there's that.

Again, I wanted to drive it home that I didn't start out consistently late here. It happened twice that first week and then they wrote me up despite knowing my circumstances. Then that was what immediately made me decide it didn't matter what I did, so then I showed up late more often.

 

Jesus F Christ. Why don't you just tell your wife you don't wanna work, your personal time is way more important than being a grownup. Maybe she can get another job. And hire a nanny.

 

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You've really done a great job of convincing yourself that your reasons for not being able to show up for work on time are somehow legitimate.

Unfortunately, your work place isn't convinced.

Either is anyone here.

I'm guessing you have an excuse for everything you are not successful at, and I'm sure it's always someone else's fault.

There comes a time you have to put on your big boy pants and take responsibility for your actions.

Forget what everyone else is doing. Never mind who ELSE is or isn't getting written up. Quit imagining that everyone is out to get you.

Okay dad.

Thanks for the armchair psychology.

You guys are taking a couple of paragraphs of me describing the situation in a stream of consciousness style of post and assuming you have the entire picture. It may appear that I'm coming up with a new excuse each post, but I'm just adding each detail as I remember it. I have not made excuses when I was written up. Other than arguing with the manager for the third writeup (which again, was after other coworkers said management was "picking on me"), every other time I said I'm accountable for my actions and if thats their policy, then I violated it. There is so much grey area and you are assuming an awful lot because I'm describing the situation with obvious emotion because I'm involved in it. So you're inferring things from it that isn't there.

In any and all situations, I step outside of myself and look at it. I want to know what it looks like to other people, and as I said, people have come to me unsolicited and asked about it or said it was unfair. I didn't ask them for that. I've asked other friends who have said it isn't right but just be on time and dont give them anything to mess with you about. I've gotten tons of feedback that run the gamut of perspectives to make sure I'm looking at it objectively.

One thing I have never done is live off of excuses. I'm telling you what happened after the fact. I accept my role in it and have taken ownership of what im doing. Outside of the initial writeup, I haven't given any excuse as to why I'm late, because I have been being late as a result of just not caring.

In my experience over the years though, I have come to realize there are two different types of people when it comes to these scenarios, and I dont expect anyone with your perspective to ever understand the other side of it. You have lived a life that doesn't enable you to do so.

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Jesus F Christ. Why don't you just tell your wife you don't wanna work, your personal time is way more important than being a grownup. Maybe she can get another job. And hire a nanny.

I do want to work... For myself.

She doesn't need another job. The frustrating thing is, she is in the medical field and makes her own schedule for the most part. So while I'm dealing with office politics bullshit for what I'm making, she's making close to 3x what I am and doesn't have to deal with any of it lol. So that's pretty motivating as well...

I worked all through college for minimum wage to get us through while she got her masters up until I started college myself. So, I'm not going to apologize for being less than thrilled with the current circumstances with my job. I expected better.

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