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Davidson Deac II Grand Master

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I may be mistaken, but didn't I see you mentioning that you got out of the Navy in the 1980s?

 

Information Security has evolved exponentially in just the last several years; one probably couldn't recognize the difference between the 1980s and today. Unless one is current on his civilian certifications, military experience generally doesn't count. That's why veterans get the GI Bill - to help one's education match one's experience.

 

I joined in 1987, Got out in 1998.  I was fortunate in that the team I interviewed with and eventually got hired by were mostly ex-military Navy Cryptologic Technicians.  But I can tell you my current employer still hires people directly out of the military, because the military is still ahead of most civilian corporations in information security.  In fact, we just hired a guy who had just finished his 20 years as a Cryptologic Technician with his last three spent at Fort Meade.   Most of the guidelines for aspects of security such as encryption and information classification standards are based on guidelines written by the folks at Fort Meade. 

 

Certifications are nice, but real world experience trumps them.  Of course, information security is a very specific field and it might be far more difficult to get a job if you come out of the military as an Infantryman or a Boatswains mate. 

 

 

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I joined in 1987, Got out in 1998.  I was fortunate in that the team I interviewed with and eventually got hired by were mostly ex-military Navy Cryptologic Technicians.  But I can tell you my current employer still hires people directly out of the military, because the military is still ahead of most civilian corporations in information security.  In fact, we just hired a guy who had just finished his 20 years as a Cryptologic Technician with his last three spent at Fort Meade.   Most of the guidelines for aspects of security such as encryption and information classification standards are based on guidelines written by the folks at Fort Meade. 

 

Certifications are nice, but real world experience trumps them.  Of course, information security is a very specific field and it might be far more difficult to get a job if you come out of the military as an Infantryman or a Boatswains mate. 

 

OK, that makes sense for that specific field.

 

I was in the medical field and, basically, the entire electronic records system is probably at least a decade behind the civilian system. I left active duty in 2010 and at that time, AHLTA (the latest, greatest electronic health records system) still wasn't fully implemented (and it was only being implemented to 2004 level security standards). The system it replaced (CHCS II) basically used DOS commands to update records.

While AHLTA is fully implemented now, other programs such as HAIMS and yes, CHCS, are still used to upload information because of AHLTA's limitations.

 

When you say the military IS is ahead of corporate IS, all I have to go on is my own experiences with healthcare information.

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Yeah the map is wrong, and common sense is wrong as well right?

 

So, tell me what costs more:

 

Walmart paying employees 7.25 per and forcing state and local governments to subsidize the rest of their living (food stamps, section 8, obama phones, etc)

 

or

 

Walmart paying employees enough to live without government assistance

 

 

Common sense, right?

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OK, that makes sense for that specific field.

 

I was in the medical field and, basically, the entire electronic records system is probably at least a decade behind the civilian system. I left active duty in 2010 and at that time, AHLTA (the latest, greatest electronic health records system) still wasn't fully implemented (and it was only being implemented to 2004 level security standards). The system it replaced (CHCS II) basically used DOS commands to update records.

While AHLTA is fully implemented now, other programs such as HAIMS and yes, CHCS, are still used to upload information because of AHLTA's limitations.

 

When you say the military IS is ahead of corporate IS, all I have to go on is my own experiences with healthcare information.

 

That makes sense.  Military personnel record keeping left a lot to be desired when I was in, and I doubt its improved all that much.  Being a forcmer IS, when I think of information security, I think of encryption and protecting classified information. 

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So, tell me what costs more:

Walmart paying employees 7.25 per and forcing state and local governments to subsidize the rest of their living (food stamps, section 8, obama phones, etc)

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Walmart paying employees enough to live without government assistance

Common sense, right?

If wages go up and nothing else does than sure that's great. However, if you think that would be the case you aren't living in reality. No one is going to let that eat into their bottom line. Costs will go up on EVERYTHING. So it's the same problem at a different number. Raise min wage to 100 bucks an hour if you think that will make people "feel" better but it changes nothing. The poor will still be poor they will have more paper in their hands but it will be worth less. I don't understand why that's a difficult thing to grasp.

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