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Some hard evidence why Shula needs to be fired now.

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JawnyBlaze Grand Master

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Cam came to us green and didn't know how to read defenses or even call complex  plays.  He didn't know route trees and he struggled with throwing to a spot instead of throwing to a man.  He gets credit for learning and working very hard and proving the critics wrong.  But it is laughable to suggest that it wasn't Shula who taught him most of what he knows.  And since Shula worked very hard as an OC to tailor the offense around Cam and allow him to learns and grow last year you can't separate him as an OC from a QB coach.  He has done the most for Cam of anyone on the Panthers.  And that is why he was promoted to our OC.  It wasn't because anyone thought that he was a genius signal caller or that he was so creative and inventive in his play calling, it was because he understood Cam better than anyone else and had a plan to develop him and build an offense around him.  And it worked until Gettleman thought he could bring in anyone and still get results and he is finding out that he was wrong.

 

As for what you are seeing,you see the result but not what was called or what should have happened. When you know what was supposed to happen and not just what happened then you might actually be able to talk intelligently about the offense.  You know where the ball went or who caught it but not what was actually called or what should have happened. Like on the thread where there were two receivers in the same area and suddenly it was poor play design.  Unless you know where they both were supposed to be you don't know where the problem was really. Therefore you have little clue like most fans.  Which is why I stick to the facts and what people say who are the experts because I know that what I see, may or may not actually be due to bad playcalling for example.

So far none of the people who are actually watching film or who know what we are doing are blaming Shula.  On Thursday night I was listening to Robinson on Panther gameday who went out of his way to say that while fans were upset with Shula, his understanding from those on the inside were that they were not blaming playcalling but instead were looking at poor execution.  I wonder what they know that you don't.  If you spent more time trying to figure that put you might have a better idea of what is really happening..Instead of the pat answer that they want to get rid of Shula but are supporting him until the end of the year. It could be true that they do not like him but until I hear it from someone on the inside I will take them at face value.

 

All I can say in response to this that I haven't already is...so someone ELSE was supposed to run that flea flicker pattern but the signals got crossed and Cotchery ran it instead?

 

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Cpt slay a ho Mentor

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I'll give you that the talent hasn't been awesome, but we would frequently start out hot and then by the 3rd drive, the defense had made adjustments and Shula was incapable of adjusting back. His play calling was frustrating last year and is extremely frustrating this year. The most glaring evidence of his poor play calling is that the offense will occasionally move all the way down the field with ease, but once they get close to the end zone, whatever got them down there is abandoned and the offense fails to score.

I'll give you he doesn't seem to know how to adjust which is big, but red zone trips have been solid all year drop passes o linemen getting blown up to smithereens have play a bigger factor then play calling
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panthers55 Grand Master

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Also, part of what you're saying implies he got promoted as a reward for helping develop Cam....that's a problem.

Wrong again. He was given the job because he had the best plan to use Cam and would provide a consistent approach and philosophy which is critical to young quarterbacks who are still developing. The success Cam had last year is because of this consistency. Otherwise he could easily turn into another Alex Smith who had talent but too many OCs to properly develop. I figure that making a change after this year won't be as traumatic as it could have been last year. So it could be fine but Shula was the right choice in 2013 for Cams success. Now it might be different.

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DaveThePanther2008 Grand Master

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Air Coryell system had Cam on par with Luck, Wilson etc. Now?!? If left to Shula Cam statistically will shrink to a midget all while NOT winning. I'd take Chud! Not ashamed to say it :-) they can flame on

I would take him back as well. As long as he didn't live and die by the read option. I really thought that Shula was going to keep the playbook and incorporate his ball control offense into it. That was the reason Rivera kept Shula because of the playbook was the same but Shula went back to a Davidson like offense. Really boring and too damn predictable. Cam or No Cam this offensive scheme really doesn't work.

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What the hell are you talking about?  He signed off on Rob Chudzinski for his first offensive coordinator.  Rivera does not want his offense to struggle in the red zone and only score 14-17 points.  Sure, he might want them to play ball-control offense to keep the defense on the sideline but...that only works if you can finish the drive with a touchdown.  

 

I agree.  I think based upon his pressers that RR is not happy with Shula.  He basically says the same things in the press room as we do on this board, just without naming Shula or his position.

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Fact:  Through the first 9 games of this season Shula's offense has scored more points than Chud's offense did through the first 9 games in 2012.  So if we didn't fire Chud why fire Shula??

 

Cam got to put up better individual numbers in Chud's offense, that's why they want him back.

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