A rare good point from the guys at WFNZ

[QCkilla]

So Clinton Portis and Muhsin Muhammad were just talking about the good scouting departments around the NFL and many of them have one thing in common: former players. As far as I know, the Panthers don't have any former players in their scouting department. In fact, a former Panther (Dan Morgan) is a member of possibly the best scouting department in the NFL at the moment (Seahawks). Ricky Proehl begged for Keenan Allen and Kelvin Benjamin. He got his wish with the latter, but imagine if we had both of them. It only makes sense that former players would be good at evaluating the necessary traits that make up a good NFL player but we don't use any. Our draft history since 2007 when Don Gregory took over is pretty damn terrible, so why not utilize former players?

[Ricky Spanish]

So Clinton Portis and Muhsin Muhammad were just talking about the good scouting departments around the NFL and many of them have one thing in common: former players. As far as I know, the Panthers don't have any former players in their scouting department. In fact, a former Panther (Dan Morgan) is a member of possibly the best scouting department in the NFL at the moment (Seahawks). Ricky Proehl begged for Keenan Allen and Kelvin Benjamin. He got his wish with the latter, but imagine if we had both of them. It only makes sense that former players would be good at evaluating the necessary traits that make up a good NFL player but we don't use any. Our draft history since 2007 when Don Gregory took over is pretty damn terrible, so why not utilize former players?

 

We could have had Keenan and Kel...

[Panthers Fanatic]

We could have had Keenan and Kel...

That would have been awesome! That tandem nickname could have replaced the now defunct 'Double Trouble'

[camycamcan]

Boys lets start up a shula fund raiser

[QCkilla]

Boys lets start up a shula fund raiser

Would contribute

[WhoAmI?]

If it makes sense, the Panthers aren't going to do it.

[CRA]

We draft pretty well overall. We are better than most teams with our top picks. In fact if you look at our first round picks over the last decade we probably do better than anyone (and those first rounders have a good rate)

What I think we do poorly in isn't drafting. It is FA and acquired talent. Last year was the first time we hit on guys in a long time and they all immediately left.

[QCkilla]

We draft pretty well overall. We are better than most teams with our top picks. In fact if you look at our first round picks over the last decade we probably do better than anyone (and those first rounders have a good rate)

What I think we do poorly in isn't drafting. It is FA and acquired talent. Last year was the first time we hit on guys in a long time and they all immediately left.

 

Our first rounders have been great, but the later rounds have been absolute dog poo. Other than Cam, we have no one left from 2011, for example. But still, I agree with you that our FA scouting sucks too. In fact, that's Dan Morgan's job in Seattle. He's in the pro personnel scouting department. I just think former players as scouts makes sense so that's probably the answer to my question of why it's not happening here.

[Guest Irv]

considering our 1st round selections have either been rookie of the year or up for it i think were doing pretty good. Later rounds however are a different story

[QCkilla]

considering our 1st round selections have either been rookie of the year or up for it i think were doing pretty good. Later rounds however are a different story

 

I agree, and if we had to pick one round to be good in, I'm glad we picked the first round. But that's the problem, we're only good in one round.

[CRA]

Our first rounders have been great, but the later rounds have been absolute dog poo. Other than Cam, we have no one left from 2011, for example. But still, I agree with you that our FA scouting sucks too. In fact, that's Dan Morgan's job in Seattle. He's in the pro personnel scouting department. I just think former players as scouts makes sense so that's probably the answer to my question of why it's not happening here.

Pick 4 random teams out of a hat.

Compare draft jobs. We should come out looking good.

Then compare FA acquisitions and guys brought in via trade....

I just think our biggest weakness is all we do is draft well. We don't fill our holes well in FA.

[KendrickPanther]

Dorsey was in our scouting department last year. Gettleman just changed our independent agency last year. But who did we miss on? Who was our big miss? I guess Amini although the injuries have slowed his career. Kugbilla but thats a 4th round guy. Are we blaming Gettleman for Armanti Edwards still?

[JawnyBlaze]

Boys lets start up a shula fund raiser

 

We seem to already have the structure in place here.  How bout it Zod?  Spearhead this thing!

 

[rayzor]

free agency has been the problem.

 

if there is a problem in the draft, it's been in drafting offensive players. we don't do it very often and we don't do it well, aside from cam and kelvin.

 

former players might be able to help, but i don't think it would be a sure fire fix. being a former player doesn't necessarily mean they will be better scouts than non-former players. it could give them a leg up, but i don't think the fact that we don't have former players is indicitive of anything nor is it, in itself, a problem or a weakness. it could help, but i think what would help most is having cap space and not being afraid to admit that it's quite possible that the answer isn't already on the roster and a willingness to go out and grab some free agents who can help or at least provide competition and depth.