Doubt inside BofA Cam is the future?

[beastson]

Some quotes from Rivera on Cam after Thursday night:

 

"They continue to work on his foot work. Keeping his left shoulder down, staying over his front foot, bending that knee as he delivers the ball. It's all part of his fundamentals and it's just something that he's just got to continue to push himself through."

 

These are extremely unusual remarks to be making about a quarterback who has 55 career NFL starts. And it's really just the tip of the iceberg with Newton. Cam is still being coached-up on the most basic elements of his game. The problem is that at his age, it is almost unheard of to get rid of flaws like these because they have become ingrained. The aspects of his game that should be getting him to the next level aren't being addressed, because he lacks the fundamentals that can be built on to take him to the next level...and he is in fact regressing.

 

Like it or not, Newton has been making the same fundamental mistakes for the better part of 3 1/2 years. Sometimes he can get away with it. Sometimes he gets exposed. When he doesn't have a perfect pocket, he tends to get exposed.

 

Newton should have more or less perfected a consistent delivery by midway through his second season.

 

Some guys can get away with less than text book mechanics, simply because their flawed mechanics still allow them to deliver the ball consistently. (see Phillip Rivers).

 

With Newton, when his base is off, there is no telling where the ball will end up. 

 

Cam first 3 years his rating has gone up. None of these ridiculous posts was here last season and they surely wasn't here the 1st half of the season. Cam rushing and lack of oline is what's hurting his mechanics. You can find any great QB with a bad offensive line and you can see them struggle. Go to Norwell video Jeremy thread. That exact play you see Cam practice doing. The fake read option is unecessary, but  by the time he should have threw it he was standing tall in the pocket everything aligned however the play was to Greg and he was covered and Newton shifted his focus and by that time the push already got within a foot of him. Completely different from last year which our oline was much better. I can post plenty of gifs showing the difference. Atlanta last year Olsen TD, we talking like 8 sec to throw the ball on that

[Swaggasaurus]

I'm waiting on Matthias to tell me where he sees all these DA skills..

Career numbers aren't showing much.

So basically the Bucs game is overlying a career I guess.

You can see DA's brain working reading the D pre snap. Cam literally slowly closes his eyes licks his hands and prays for the best

[raleigh-panther]

Good God Almighty.

 

There are a lot of QBs in this league who do not have picture book mechanics, both in the past and present.

 

Note to Rivera:   you should worry about your shitty DB field and your absolutely terrible OC coordinator and your own poor decisions.

 

Those poor mechanics took your sorry ass to the playoffs last year and if the Panthers have any chance whatsoever with the absolute trash you and Gettleman put together on offense, it will be Newton who takes you there again.

 

I'll remind you that Newton's future is tied to yours. 

 

But unlike you, when Newton  is cut/traded whatever, there will be at least 24 other teams that want him. 

 

How many teams did you interview with before you got this job?

 

Sick of it. 

[CPF4LIFE]

I'm waiting on Matthias to tell me where he sees all these DA skills..

Career numbers aren't showing much.

So basically the Bucs game is overlying a career I guess.

 

And 3 solid career year numbers from Cam doesnt mean squat. See how it works??

[Swaggasaurus]

There's a reason that Peyton, Rodgers, Brees look like tweaked out meth heads pre snap. They are on high alert, fuging mad scientists. Why does Cam look like a mummy who just got out of bed?

[raleigh-panther]

Some quotes from Rivera on Cam after Thursday night:

 

"They continue to work on his foot work. Keeping his left shoulder down, staying over his front foot, bending that knee as he delivers the ball. It's all part of his fundamentals and it's just something that he's just got to continue to push himself through."

 

These are extremely unusual remarks to be making about a quarterback who has 55 career NFL starts. And it's really just the tip of the iceberg with Newton. Cam is still being coached-up on the most basic elements of his game. The problem is that at his age, it is almost unheard of to get rid of flaws like these because they have become ingrained. The aspects of his game that should be getting him to the next level aren't being addressed, because he lacks the fundamentals that can be built on to take him to the next level...and he is in fact regressing.

 

Like it or not, Newton has been making the same fundamental mistakes for the better part of 3 1/2 years. Sometimes he can get away with it. Sometimes he gets exposed. When he doesn't have a perfect pocket, he tends to get exposed.

 

Newton should have more or less perfected a consistent delivery by midway through his second season.

 

Some guys can get away with less than text book mechanics, simply because their flawed mechanics still allow them to deliver the ball consistently. (see Phillip Rivers).

 

With Newton, when his base is off, there is no telling where the ball will end up. 

 

And where was your critique when Newton had winning drives against New Orleans and NE last year?

 

You people amaze me.  If you were this great at critiquing NFL  talent, you would be in the NFL, maybe you should apply for Shula's job, doubt you could do worse.

 

[beastson]

There's a reason that Peyton, Rodgers, Brees look like tweaked out meth heads pre snap. They are on high alert, fuging mad scientists. Why does Cam look like a mummy who just got out of bed?

 

Well first off they been in the league for 10+ years so that comparison is completely off base. 2nd they're all in passing offenses which leads to 3rd, they're offense is a complete 180 of ours

[WOW!!]

You can see DA's brain working reading the D pre snap. Cam literally slowly closes his eyes licks his hands and prays for the best

Shut fug up...

Da has played one game this whole year and he is a 55% comp rate Qb over his career.

You dudes hate Cam so much your basically making DA into a quality starting QB which his career and fact no team wants him as a starter says differently.

[Sam Mills Fan]

While that is true, he was still only 10th rated QB during that span. All I'm saying is, you don't pay a QB that kind of money for an inconsistent and average passer. And it's not how you start, it's how you play throughout a whole season and currently, he is 27th among QB's. Freakkin Derek Carr has a better QB rating than Cam and you can't tell me he has a way better O-line and weapons than us.

 

So it's your opinion that our season would be going better if only we had Derek Carr starting for us? If not, then you're admitting that stat is misleading and you can shut the hell up.

[TonyN]

Cam first 3 years his rating has gone up. None of these ridiculous posts was here last season and they surely wasn't here the 1st half of the season. Cam rushing and lack of oline is what's hurting his mechanics. You can find any great QB with a bad offensive line and you can see them struggle. Go to Norwell video Jeremy thread. That exact play you see Cam practice doing. The fake read option is unecessary, but  by the time he should have threw it he was standing tall in the pocket everything aligned however the play was to Greg and he was covered and Newton shifted his focus and by that time the push already got within a foot of him. Completely different from last year which our oline was much better. I can post plenty of gifs showing the difference. Atlanta last year Olsen TD, we talking like 8 sec to throw the ball on that

 

Cam has been essentially the same player since day 1. Sure he has improved in some areas, but he is basically the same guy.

 

His completion percentage went down in his second season, went up slightly last season with fewer attempts and a different style offense and have dropped back to year 1 levels this season.

 

His NFL passer ratings have been virtually identical in each of his first three seasons.

 

He finished 15th in 2011.

He finished 15th in 2012.

He finished 16th in 2013.

 

Your contention that all QB's with bad offensive lines struggle is just not true. I am not even going to mention names, but some of the most pressured QB's are absolutely lighting up the league this season. And it's not a new phenomenon.

 

Posting GIFS as if they prove something about a players overall play is just silly. I can post GIFS that make Geno Smith look like a Hall of Famer.

 

But you make a good, if unintended point about Newton. He needs a lot of time to go through his progressions. And when he is going through his progressions he is virtually immobile. Once he moves, even a little it, it is generally to take off down the field.

 

I don't expect you to actually do it, but watch some football this weekend and notice how the great ones move in the pocket, yet remain focused downfield and can hang in the pocket and deliver the football at the last second and do so with great accuracy. And watch their heads. Watch how quickly thy go through their progressions. Then go back and watch Newton.

 

I nearly crapped my pants on Cam's very first throw of the preseason. He stared down his receiver and delivered the football right into the hands of a defender. He was going to go with his first read come hell or high water. And when his first read is not there...things can get really interesting in a bad way. 

[332nd]

Whelp.... I see we're back to it being Cam's fault...

[TonyN]

You can see DA's brain working reading the D pre snap. Cam literally slowly closes his eyes licks his hands and prays for the best

 

In a night full of bad plays, perhaps the worst was the first and goal run that lost 8 yards.

 

Newton was staring at a defense that the play could not possibly succeed against and yet, there was no audible, no time out, and, to add insult to injury, instead of just cutting his losses to a yard or two, he danced around and lost 8.

 

Of course 99 percent of the Huddle will blame Shula for the call...hilarious.

[WhoAmI?]

So it's your opinion that our season would be going better if only we had Derek Carr starting for us? If not, then you're admitting that stat is misleading and you can shut the hell up.

 

lol Where do you come up with these assumptions? The truth hurts, I get it. There's no way SuperCam can be rated at the bottom.

[Rastlet]

And yet he still took a ton of sacks, hits, and pressures. 

 

The Oline DOES have a lot to do with Cam's issues, but Cam also needs to learn how to get rid of the ball quicker and not run backwards into sacks.

 

You do know the one time he ran backwards thursday night was the only TD the Panthers scored right?  No you don't because you are one of the most ill informed and least knowledgeable posters on this board.