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Need some help understanding the salary cap.

Eazy-E

By Eazy-E,
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"Cap hell" is largely a myth. Good GMs find a way to manipulate the cap in order to get the guys they want. New Orleans was supposedly in cap hell too, right? They still found a way to sign one of the best safeties on the market.

It is only a myth to those who don't understand it.

The saints front loaded that players salary so his cap hit was pretty much the same as a safety they let leave. Because of this they are a good bit over the cap next year. They did this because a lot of their other players have contracts that are structured well and they know they can free up future space. Also from what I can tell most of their core players are locked up.

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It is only a myth to those who don't understand it.

The saints front loaded that players salary so his cap hit was pretty much the same as a safety they let leave. Because of this they are a good bit over the cap next year. They did this because a lot of their other players have contracts that are structured well and they know they can free up future space. Also from what I can tell most of their core players are locked up.

 

You don't think we can front load contracts to coincide with being able to dump DeAngelo and J. Stew? 

 

Like I said, GMs who want to find a way find a way.

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They are also going all in because they know their window is closing with brees getting older.

 

Here is a real good point. We went all in while fielding a team that was in a rebuild mode. That was some dumb poo and is why we are still in rebuild mode. We should have let Johnson,Jstew,Beason,and Dwill walk and rebuilt. We didnt and we are paying for it right now.

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You don't think we can front load contracts to coincide with being able to dump DeAngelo and J. Stew?

Like I said, GMs who want to find a way find a way.

Cutting those two really doesn't save a huge amount, which further illustrates my point about how bad some of our contracts are.

Could we have signed Bryd? Yes, but it would have limited our ability to resign our own players, such as Cam and Luke, and also our ability to upgrade other positions.

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Cutting those two really doesn't save a huge amount, which further illustrates my point about how bad some of our contracts are.

Could we have signed Bryd? Yes, but it would have limited our ability to resign our own players, such as Cam and Luke, and also our ability to upgrade other positions.

Well we didn't upgrade any positions this year. This offseason could arguably worse than 2010. And please don't tell me we did it so we'd be able to lock up a core of medicare players again.

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Well we didn't upgrade any positions this year. This offseason could arguably worse than 2010. And please don't tell me we did it so we'd be able to lock up a core of medicare players again.

We actually signed a player that was considered by many to be one of the top free agents last off season. Unfortunately he only played one game for us.

And some of they moves we have made in the past haven't just been made to lock up some of our players, they have been made so we can field a full team.

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"Cap hell" is largely a myth. Good GMs find a way to manipulate the cap in order to get the guys they want. New Orleans was supposedly in cap hell too, right? They still found a way to sign one of the best safeties on the market.

 

New Orleans will be in cap hell, but they did it the SMART way.  They will be feeling the consequences right around the same time Brees retires, and it perfectly acceptable to use a few rebuilding years to reclaim cap space and cleanse dead money.

 

Overall, the only awful thing Hurney did was royally screw up the strike year.  We had everything planned out perfectly.  Cleansed aging vets from the roster, had a top draft pick and a ton of wonderful cap space to work with to lock up our core.

 

Unfortunately, our core was not nearly as talented or reliable as we had hoped. CJ was the only person to live up to his contract.  The Beason and Stewart situations were unfortunate.  Had we spent that money in a different direction I think we would be in a better position to address the multitude of issues we are currently experiencing.

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New Orleans will be in cap hell, but they did it the SMART way. They will be feeling the consequences right around the same time Brees retires, and it perfectly acceptable to use a few rebuilding years to reclaim cap space and cleanse dead money.

Overall, the only awful thing Hurney did was royally screw up the strike year. We had everything planned out perfectly. Cleansed aging vets from the roster, had a top draft pick and a ton of wonderful cap space to work with to lock up our core.

Unfortunately, our core was not nearly as talented or reliable as we had hoped. CJ was the only person to live up to his contract. The Beason and Stewart situations were unfortunate. Had we spent that money in a different direction I think we would be in a better position to address the multitude of issues we are currently experiencing.

Definitely agree on Beason. He was a great MLB. injuries just derailed him and no one could've foreseen that. Stew I'm not so sure about. He always had a lot of feet and ankle issues and we already had one big money RB locked up. Many of us thought at the time that we needed to make a choice between DeAngelo and Stew. The other contract I hated from the get-go was Godfrey's.
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"Cap hell" is largely a myth. Good GMs find a way to manipulate the cap in order to get the guys they want. New Orleans was supposedly in cap hell too, right? They still found a way to sign one of the best safeties on the market.

 

haha yea and how has that safety performed for them? last i heard, he was doing very little good in their terrible defense...

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