Would you favor going West Coast?

[Mr. Scot]

Mr. Scott, was the difference between the offense Cam ran his rookie year and now except OCs? From my limited knowledge of football, isn't both offenses Air Coryell?

 

Every OC puts their own stamp on an offensive system.

 

Chudzinski's stamp was very pass happy, lots of trickery (he outsmarted himself a lot) and a little 'out there'.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah that's true.  I think where we break away is the lack of any true downfield runners and a rather bland running playbook.  This is in part due to our OT situation because we just can't manage to run effective counters, misdirections, or screens.  

 

I'm intrigued by what's happened with the Ravens.  Harbaugh groomed Flacco in a Coryell and with Kubiak there, it's been a very interesting blend going on as they transition to a WCO.  It's still for years why I'm drawn to what Dennison & Kubiak have achieved.  It has cut Torrey Smith's production but there's still a decent dose of downfield passing (We witnessed this haha)      

 

Here's his playbook for the Broncos in 2004:

 

http://www.footballxos.com/wpfb-file/2004-denver-broncos-offense-mike-shanahan-pdf/

 

Now Cam is not a short passing QB so I don't know if this is a fit, but I like it as an offense.  That's what I've seen from the Ravens and really like it.  

 

Two other offenses that has some interesting things going on are the Chargers and Colts.  McCoy and Pep Hamilton are doing some interesting things with their Eardhart-Perkins systems.  Something in that mold may be the best fit for Cam in my opinion.   

 

Newton definitely wasn't a good short passer early on, but I think he improved a lot in that area last season.

 

He definitely has the mobility you want in a WCO.

[rmoneyg35]

I would love to have a offense like the 49ers run. We have to have a offense that can work with the players we have. With 2 running backs making plenty of money for the next few years, a powerful FB, great pass catching TE, a scrambling QB and a big WR I seem to think we should run the 49ers offense.

[Darknight]

Every OC puts their own stamp on an offensive system.

 

Chudzinski's stamp was very pass happy, lots of trickery (he outsmarted himself a lot) and a little 'out there'.

 

 

Like I said, with my limited football knowledge, Air Coryell means to me that we like to pass the ball through the air alot or something to that effect. Well, we ain't doing that now and we are still running Air Coryell under Shula? Looks like two different offenses to me

[Mr. Scot]

Like I said, with my limited football knowledge, Air Coryell means to me that we like to pass the ball through the air alot or something to that effect. Well, we ain't doing that now and we are still running Air Coryell under Shula? Looks like two different offenses to me

 

This article has good info: What makes Norv Turner's Air Coryell system go?

 

You can also Google "Coryell Offense" or "Air Coryell" for more.

[Paa Langfart]

If we get a new coach at seasons end my only hope is that he is an innovator who can see what he has to work with and hybridize an offense that fits our guys.  We need someone who is willing to think outside the box, which is why I would really like to see a guy like Rich Rod take the reins of the Panthers.

[pstall]

They should model the old Houston Oilers back in Warren Moons day.

Mix that offense with AC.

[pstall]

In fact. With the way Cam could run maybe even the Veer which nobody uses anymore.

[pstall]

This article has good info: What makes Norv Turner's Air Coryell system go?

You can also Google "Coryell Offense" or "Air Coryell" for more.

This team is the 2012 Chargers.

[Kuhndog94]

Air Coryell over West Coast and E-P.

[Mr. Scot]

In fact. With the way Cam could run maybe even the Veer which nobody uses anymore.

It's worth remembering exactly why you want a mobile quarterback in a WCO.

Fewer blockers.

The traditional WCO tends toward sending all available bodies - receivers, tight ends and running backs - out in pass patterns. Few, and often none, are kept in to block.

Having a mobile quarterback becomes a necessity. It's also extremely important to have a solid offensive line.

So, to those who favor a WCO, would these factors affect your thinking?

[BuffaloBills62]

It has taken me a long time to finally get to read all of this, but this is a great thread with some good insight and should be required reading around here.  A lot of myths are disproved here.

 

The Coryell offense is under appreciated.  It would be much easier to acquire the talent at WR to run this offense then it would the West Coast.  However, the Coryell system is pretty much the same as West Coast and vice versa.

 

I would much rather see the Panthers switch to the Erhardt Perkins by developing a better running back situation.  This could allow Newton to make much better calls at the line while audibling to his choice of plays.  Right now the problem seems to be Newton is carrying the entire offense.

 

Perhaps the best option for the remainder of the season is the pistol offense.  With Newton already 3 yards deep in shotgun he can already see the field better and avoid the sack a second longer - since the OL is garbage.  The RB could run his wheel routes and bail out Newton quick reads easily, as well.

[bandu]

The issue with the Air Coryell is you have to have a good oL in order to operate properly,the routes are long and takes pass protection in order to develop,while the otherhand the WCO is primarily short horizontal routes,which i think KB would be effective at with his size and speed,hey look,the best WRs in the history of 49ers football operating under the Bill Walsh WCO all ran pedestarian 40yard dash times at the combine,and it operated pretty darn well,imo.

[pantherclaw]

Would not want Cam needing to learn the most complex offense at this point in his career.

Unless your ready to watch the team adjust for years.