Jamie Dukes gets it

[carpanfan96]

There's no way they could have predicted that. Asking them to see that coming isn't any different than asking them to foresee Greg Hardy's issues. You can say 'the signs were there' but that's pure hindsight. It's not realistic to suggest they could have predicted these things.

Also worth remembering they did go after Anthony Collins in free agency but he signed with Tampa instead. After that, tackle salaries started getting ridiculous and it's pretty clear now that most of the big signings were wildly overpaid.

And again, intent vs execution.

I knew it was happening and even said as much right after the contract was accepted. All the writing was on the wall, no way you take that deal unless you're planning on retiring after the season or want out from that team.

[PantherFanOne]

Anybody with any sense knows that the notion of an NFL GM deliberately sabotaging his own quarterback is too goofy for words.

 

 

I am not a bit suprised that a select few on the Huddle are that dumb. It's hard for me to play the blame game directed at the GM,when it was a well known fact we were in salary cap hell and would have to bite the bullet until the problem was resolved.

[Mr. Scot]

I am not a bit suprised that a select few on the Huddle are that dumb. It's hard for me to play the blame game directed at the GM,when it was a well known fact we were in salary cap hell and would have to bite the bullet until the problem was resolved.

 

Leave your facts out of this, please

 

[carolina-chuck]

Gettleman tried to talk Gross out of retiring.

As to the draft, all the top tackles were gone by Round Two. Ealy was the BAP and has actually flashed some potential. By contrast, Morgan Moses looks like garbage.

But Gross doesn't like Gman.

[chknwing]

that is the dumbest poo I have ever heard. Why even go through all that trouble when he could trade cam for 1st round picks?

[Mr. Scot]

But Gross doesn't like Gman.

 

Also not true.

 

Said he "wasn't happy with him" last year, but came to respect him.

 

[Mr. Scot]

that is the dumbest poo I have ever heard. Why even go through all that trouble when he could trade cam for 1st round picks?

 

Quite true

 

If Gettleman didn't like him, he's the GM so he could just trade him.  And it would actually be easier now while he's still under his rookie deal.

 

"But that would be unpopular" you say?  Perhaps you've heard of this guy named Steve Smith.

 

[carpanfan96]

Jones reported their offer was not much different than ours. He just chose them.

It was later in free agency that the contracts got ridiculous.

Correct, but when your going against a team in Florida..... You've got to up the ante, because of tax laws. A similar deal for the player in NC to Florida would be like 40/5 here to the 30/5 he ended up getting. Hence why I called it a short change offer.

He wasn't worth it though, not even the 30/5 he got from the Bucs. Cincinnati had a stout line last season, just made him look better then he really is. He's been pretty bad from what I've seen in Tampa.

All I'm saying is, if you end up with two starting OT's who are UDFA, then you didn't plan well enough or you had way too much faith in a product you shouldn't have, it should have never got to the point that they are relying on UDFA at tackle when your supposed to be a power run, play action team with read option thrown in. All those things require a really stout line at the POA.

[Mr. Scot]

Correct, but when your going against a team in Florida..... You've got to up the ante, because of tax laws. A similar deal for the player in NC to Florida would be like 40/5 here to the 30/5 he ended up getting. Hence why I called it a short change offer.

He wasn't worth it though, not even the 30/5 he got from the Bucs. Cincinnati had a stout line last season, just made him look better then he really is. He's been pretty bad from what I've seen in Tampa.

All I'm saying is, if you end up with two starting OT's who are UDFA, then you didn't plan well enough or you had way too much faith in a product you shouldn't have, it should have never got to the point that they are relying on UDFA at tackle when your supposed to be a power run, play action team with read option thrown in. All those things require a really stout line at the POA.

 

I still believe this was not the plan going into the offseason, and there's a fair amount of evidence to support that.

 

It was, however, what ended up being the choice, and it was a lousy one.

 

But it was not sabotage.

 

[carpanfan96]

Quite true

If Gettleman didn't like him, he's the GM so he could just trade him. And it would actually be easier now while he's still under his rookie deal.

"But that would be unpopular" you say? Perhaps you've heard of this guy named Steve Smith.

I'm on the side that Smith being cut was because of Cam, not against him. However I still believe that the team going 12-4 last season surprised the hell out of gettleman. I think he was expecting to go into this season with a new coaching staff and Cam being on a prove me year.....it just happened a season or two earlier then expected. Lol

[carpanfan96]

I still believe this was not the plan going into the offseason, and there's a fair amount of evidence to support that.

It was, however, what ended up being the choice, and it was a lousy one.

But it was not sabotage.

No it wasn't sabotage in any way, I've explained what I think happened. I think it was purely cap hell + bad planning = shitty oline.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm on the side that Smith being cut was because of Cam, not against him. However I still believe that the team going 12-4 last season surprised the hell out of gettleman. I think he was expecting to go into this season with a new coaching staff and Cam being on a prove me year.....it just happened a season or two earlier then expected. Lol

 

Agree about Smith and 12-4 being a shock.

 

Coaching staff?  Don't know but it's possible.

 

If you were to ask me the biggest factors screwing us this year, I'd say the salary cap and Greg Hardy's immaturity.

[carpanfan96]

Agree about Smith and 12-4 being a shock.

Coaching staff? Don't know but it's possible.

If you were to ask me the biggest factors screwing us this year, I'd say the salary cap and Greg Hardy's immaturity.

Greg Hardy, so stupid. He was literally on the verge of a 70-80 million deal and I doubt he sees even half of that now, maybe not even a quarter of it. Even though his next contract is going to have hard line personal conduct outs for the team if possible.

[Mr. Scot]

Greg Hardy, so stupid. He was literally on the verge of a 70-80 million deal and I doubt he sees even half of that now, maybe not even a quarter of it. Even though his next contract is going to have hard line personal conduct outs for the team if possible.

 

Assuming he's found innocent.

 

He probably will be, but I don't consider that a lock.