Jamie Dukes gets it

[MaineManPanther]

Gettlemen intenionally risks his first and likley only GM job so he can sabatoge his QB? How do you prove malice over misjudgment?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

To counter play your and FF's discussion--

 

The balance I'm looking at more is when looking at the rest of the team.

 

Even at wideout we grabbed Avant & KB to compliment the young guys in KB, Bersin, & Philly.

 

Secondary, vets-DeCoud, Cason, Harper mixed with Bene, Boston, Norman, & Melvin

 

LBs, DTs, DEs, hell even TE and OG but at OT we went with Bell, Chandler, Garry Williams, and Foucault.   90%+ percent of this fan-base foresaw this being an issue and also most media outlets (for what that's worth).  

 

I just don't get why could couldn't grab some random mid-level mid-career vet for the insurance if Chandler/Bell fug up.  Would have it been that difficult to find after not landing Collins?    

 

For one, many of the mid-range mediocre OTs this year got massively overpaid. I don't really blame DG for not shelling out a $40-50 million contract to someone marginally better than who we have. You can't build a championship team making those type of moves, even if it would help (very slightly) in the short term. Just like you don't reach for need in the draft, you don't overpay guys in free agency either. We'll be better off once we can sign a quality player at a reasonable contract or get one in the draft.

[carpanfan96]

Gettleman tried to talk Gross out of retiring.

As to the draft, all the top tackles were gone by Round Two. Ealy was the BAP and has actually flashed some potential. By contrast, Morgan Moses looks like garbage.

As far as Talking Gross out of retirement, That's BS. the contract he was given had so many dummy years and dead money and was a one year contract restructure. They knew when they gave him the restructure he was retiring, anyone with a lick of sense saw it before last season started. They've had two offseasons in a row to prepare for it and essentially did nothing.

Why they've done nothing, don't know. The notion they are sabotaging Cam.....ehhhh kinda silly.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Sorry dude. 1st round/2nd round picks only. Maybe 3rd round.

 

What has been the allocation of draft picks in the last 4 years (or even just the DG years) of those picks?

 

And resources is not just draft picks, but it is also things like...cap allocation, what side of the ball is the Head Coach known for, and Free Agents.

 

Also, it think getting a new OC, fixing the OT, and adding another TE option is ALOT. So basically you are remaking the entire offense...which means a ton more resources needs to be dumped into the offense to get them to the point where they are cable of leading the rest of the team to victories.

 

First three rounds under DG, again pretty balanced. Offense: 2 - Defense: 3

Given that he didn't have a 3rd round pick his first year (thanks Hurney) if you count his actual first 3 picks each year then it's exactly even, 3 to 3, for offense and defense.

 

Cap space wise, he hasn't really given out any big multi-year deals. Probably the only one that qualifies for that is for the kicker Gano. He's been filling out the roster with cheap 1-2 year deals on both sides of the ball. The biggest free agent contract offer this last offseason was to an OT (Collins) who just decided to sign elsewhere.

[Mr. Scot]

As far as Talking Gross out of retirement, That's BS. the contract he was given had so many dummy years and dead money and was a one year contract restructure. They knew when they gave him the restructure he was retiring, anyone with a lick of sense saw it before last season started. They've had two offseasons in a row to prepare for it and essentially did nothing.

Why they've done nothing, don't know. The notion they are sabotaging Cam.....ehhhh kinda silly.

 

Gross himself said they tried in his retirement presser.

 

I wouldn't say they've done nothing.  It's that what they've done hasn't worked.

 

Big difference between those two things.

 

[MadHatter]

Yes, Jamie Dukes is a moron, but morons are sometimes right. He blasted Dave Gettleman on WFNZ this morning and I agreed with 99% of it (Disagreed about whether they should've tried to keep Hardy).

Scroll down for the interview: http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2014/10/28/jamie-dukes-panthers-struggles-due-to-gm-malpractice/

I've criticized Gettleman all offseason for ignoring the Offensive line, and accused him of setting Cam up to fail or get injured so he won't have to worry about paying a guy he doesn't actually consider to be a franchise QB to begin with. If he had Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck, he would've addressed the line.

Cam Newton, not so much. Now why is that?

Dukes didn't go that far with his rant, but you can read between the lines.

He actually didn't ignore the OL. We tried to sign a starting quality OT, but he decided to sign elsewhere. The other guys that signed were sig overpaid.

I fully expect OT to be a major focus this offseason.

[carpanfan96]

Gross himself said they tried in his retirement presser.

I wouldn't say they've done nothing. It's that what they've done hasn't worked.

Big difference between those two things.

I know they tried, what I'm saying is BS to that being an excuse. They should've know he was retiring and prepared for it and moving Bell or Chandler to LT wasn't preparing for it, it was just being lazy. Two offseason to prepare and they come up with an UDFA and a DT turned OT........

If that's preparing, you deserve to be fired on principle alone.

[Mr. Scot]

I know they tried, what I'm saying is BS to that being an excuse. They should've know he was retiring and prepared for it and moving Bell or Chandler to LT wasn't preparing for it, it was just being lazy. Two offseason to prepare and they come up with an UDFA and a DT turned OT........

If that's preparing, you deserve to be fired on principle alone.

 

There's no way they could have predicted that.  Asking them to see that coming isn't any different than asking them to foresee Greg Hardy's issues.  You can say 'the signs were there' but that's pure hindsight.  It's not realistic to suggest they could have predicted these things.

 

Also worth remembering they did go after Anthony Collins in free agency but he signed with Tampa instead.  After that, tackle salaries started getting ridiculous and it's pretty clear now that most of the big signings were wildly overpaid.

 

And again, intent vs execution.

 

[carpanfan96]

He actually didn't ignore the OL. We tried to sign a starting quality OT, but he decided to sign elsewhere. The other guys that signed were sig overpaid.

I fully expect OT to be a major focus this offseason.

If I remember correctly they tried to give a short low salary contract to a LT..... That will never get the job done in FA for a starting caliber player. Also Collins has been horrid in Tampa....so....

[top dawg]

Well at least for me, I agree with Dukes' commentary.  The only part that made me raise an eye was the Kouandjio part.  

 

In my opinion, we should have not only drafted James Hurst (who has been up and down but still has the confidence of the coaches), but probably also Seantrel Henderson. And, yes, I was thinking of both of them that last day, so this isn't a case of hindsight 20/20.

[raleigh-panther]

Forget about the draft.

I find it utterly not believable that what was trotted out as oline tackles was the best the Panthers could do in the entire United Statrs

Simply not believing it

[top dawg]

If you're proud of having Jamie Dukes agree with you, your argument has serious issues.

 

The OP didn't really say he was proud, but this is not a case where you throw out the baby with the bathwater. In my opinion Dukes has proven to be largely right on this matter. 

[beastson]

He actually didn't ignore the OL. We tried to sign a starting quality OT, but he decided to sign elsewhere. The other guys that signed were sig overpaid.

I fully expect OT to be a major focus this offseason.

 

I mean after this year, he has to.

[Mr. Scot]

If I remember correctly they tried to give a short low salary contract to a LT..... That will never get the job done in FA for a starting caliber player. Also Collins has been horrid in Tampa....so....

 

Jones reported their offer was not much different than ours.  He just chose them.

 

It was later in free agency that the contracts got ridiculous.