Jamie Dukes gets it

[mcdougal]

Sure, we could have used two first round picks on OTs and a 2nd on an OG (regardless of value), and just not had Star, Short and Benjamin on the roster. We could have built a better OLine and gone with Sione Fua and Nick Hayden at DT and just crossed our fingers than Armanti Edwards blows up at WR. But then of course people would be saying how stupid DG is for not addressing DT and WR.

 

Fact is both of our drafts under Gettleman have easily been top 10 and possibly top 5 compared to the rest of the league. Given the resources he's had to work with he's done a very good job at adding talent. It's basically impossible to fix every position on a deeply flawed roster with no cap space and limited draft picks, this really isn't that hard to understand.

 

My problem is not with Gettleman not fixing a bad roster overnight. My problem is with a fan base that clearly sees Gettleman choosing to address the defense issues first---to the detriment of the offense---and then complaining about a below average offense not being able to compete with Green Bay.

 

I cannot fathom how anyone looks at the construction of this roster and think that the offense should be scoring more than 14 points on average defenses. (Of which the Seahawks is certainly better than average).

 

The truth of the matter is that is ALL on the defense to lead this team anywhere. They are the unit that is sucking up all the resources.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I don't think Gettleman should be judged for another year or two considering his situation. That said, no way have his drafts been top 5/10 in the league.

 

Go compare our last two drafts with the rest of the league, they're easily top 10. Both 1st round picks have been in the running for rookie of the year and multiple quality players with our mid round picks, Short, Klein, Bene, Turner (possibly Boston and Ealy too, we'll see). He's hit on 80-100% of his early round picks (depending on if Ealy works out or not) which is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the league average. The fact that we've had limited picks (11 in two years) and mid to late draft position makes it even more impressive.

[Mr. Scot]

If reaching for a guy like Kugz who was projected to be a 7th rounder-UDFA is considered trying to give Cam weapons then I can't help you.

You even said yourself earlier today the rate of guys that stay on rosters that are drafted in the later rounds isn't great.

So last year he went Star and KK and AJ in the 4th. This year KB, Ealy, TT and Boston. 5-2 defense.

 

Yeah.  If you exclude offensive guys we've picked then you've got a great argument that we're only drafting defense

 

You do realize that media grades and team grades aren't the same thing, right?  Just because 'guywithawebsite.com' ranks this certain player as 1st round or 7th round doesn't mean teams agree with them.  In fact, once you get past the first few rounds, team draft boards vary wildly.

 

Spin it however you want, but this notion that the team isn't trying to improve the offense is pure fantasy.

 

Has it worked?  Not as well as anyone - especially the team - would like, but this is where it's useful to understand the distinction between 'purpose' and 'execution'.  Also where it's pretty useful to realize that we don't employ Miss Cleo so no one can foresee things like injuries and bad behavior by players.

 

Take the tinfoil hat off and look at reality instead.

[top dawg]

Gettleman may not have tanked the line purposefully, but he surely didn't go about addressing it with the zeal that was needed which could easily be deemed as negligent.  Getting rid of a franchise WR, as well as basically starting with a new receiving corps was questionable as well/ Anyone could have (and probably should have) seen troubles coming.  Gettleman rolled the dice, and now it is what it is.

 

As for Cam (and Rivera actually), I have a problem with anyone that tries to judge him with the hand that Gettleman dealt him.  At the very least, you have to make protecting your QB a priority.  Some legit take-it-to-the-house weapons don't hurt either. 

 

When I was perusing the program Finding Giants, I remember the GM saying something to the effect that you win Super Bowls later in the draft.  Although they had a core philosophy of BPA, they also drafted for need in the mid to later rounds.  I couldn't help but think of G-man when I saw their process.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

My problem is not with Gettleman not fixing a bad roster overnight. My problem is with a fan base that clearly sees Gettleman choosing to address the defense issues first---to the detriment of the offense---and then complaining about a below average offense not being able to compete with Green Bay.

 

I cannot fathom how anyone looks at the construction of this roster and think that the offense should be scoring more than 14 points on average defenses. (Of which the Seahawks is certainly better than average).

 

The truth of the matter is that is ALL on the defense to lead this team anywhere. They are the unit that is sucking up all the resources.

 

It really hasn't been that unbalanced.

 

Total draft picks, defense: 6 - offense: 5

1st round picks are even at 1 a piece

 

Getting a new OC would help a ton. After that just fix OT and add another high end receiving option (either WR or a stud #2 TE) and this should be a top 10 offense.

[*FreeFua*]

Yeah. If you exclude offensive guys we've picked then you've got a great argument that we're only drafting defense

You do realize that media grades and team grades aren't the same thing, right? Just because 'guywithawebsite.com' ranks this certain player as 1st round or 7th round doesn't mean teams agree with them. In fact, once you get past the first few rounds, team draft boards vary wildly.

Spin it however you want, but this notion that the team isn't trying to improve the offense is pure fantasy.

Has it worked? Not as well as anyone - especially the team - would like, but this is where it's useful to understand the distinction between 'purpose' and 'execution'. Also where it's pretty useful to realize that we don't employ Miss Cleo so no one can foresee things like injuries and bad behavior by players.

Take the tinfoil hat off and look at reality instead.

I should have known better than to try and discuss anything front office related with you.

Fact is they've provided Cam with little to no help and are hanging him out to dry. Spin it however you want.

[rmoneyg35]

Just because we didn't improve our offensive line with pro bowlers and top draft picks doesn't mean our GM hates our QB or whatever conspiracy your trying to accuse Gettleman of. The steelers and packers have recently won super bowls with bad offensive lines. Also teams in the past have been able to pull offensive linemen out of no where and still be successful. It doesn't always happen but you win some you loose some in the NFL. Gettleman thought we could win with the offensive line we had, and considering we didn't have much cap room and other needs I think he did what he could with the hand he was dealt.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Ironic a guy with the name FreeFua is mad that the FO drafted Star and Short instead of loading everything into the offense.

[*FreeFua*]

Ironic a guy with the name FreeFua is mad that the FO drafted Star and Short instead of loading everything into the offense.

When I signed up as FreeArmanti I really didn't plan on contributing very much. Once Armanti got cut I figured I change it to Fua and hope he'd get cut as well.

[davos]

It really hasn't been that unbalanced.

 

Total draft picks, defense: 6 - offense: 5

1st round picks are even at 1 a piece

 

Getting a new OC would help a ton. After that just fix OT and add another high end receiving option (either WR or a stud #2 TE) and this should be a top 10 offense.

 

To counter play your and FF's discussion--

 

The balance I'm looking at more is when looking at the rest of the team.

 

Even at wideout we grabbed Avant & KB to compliment the young guys in KB, Bersin, & Philly.

 

Secondary, vets-DeCoud, Cason, Harper mixed with Bene, Boston, Norman, & Melvin

 

LBs, DTs, DEs, hell even TE and OG but at OT we went with Bell, Chandler, Garry Williams, and Foucault.   90%+ percent of this fan-base foresaw this being an issue and also most media outlets (for what that's worth).  

 

I just don't get why we couldn't grab some random mid-level mid-career vet for the insurance if Chandler/Bell fug up.  Would have it been that difficult to find after not landing Collins?    

[Mr. Scot]

I should have known better than to try and discuss anything front office related with you.

Fact is they've provided Cam with little to no help and are hanging him out to dry. Spin it however you want.

 

If you honestly think a professional general manager would deliberately sabotage his own quarterback - and his entire team in the process - then I really can't help you.

 

The whole idea is just goofy.

 

[*FreeFua*]

If you honestly think a professional general manager would deliberately sabotage his own quarterback - and his entire team in the process - then I really can't help you.

The whole idea is just goofy.

I agreed with that part.

[PhillyB]

my dumbass cat has come up with better commentary than this

[mcdougal]

It really hasn't been that unbalanced.

 

Total draft picks, defense: 6 - offense: 5

1st round picks are even at 1 a piece

 

Getting a new OC would help a ton. After that just fix OT and add another high end receiving option (either WR or a stud #2 TE) and this should be a top 10 offense.

 

Sorry dude. 1st round/2nd round picks only. Maybe 3rd round.

 

What has been the allocation of draft picks in the last 4 years (or even just the DG years) of those picks?

 

And resources is not just draft picks, but it is also things like...cap allocation, what side of the ball is the Head Coach known for, and Free Agents.

 

Also, it think getting a new OC, fixing the OT, and adding another TE option is ALOT. So basically you are remaking the entire offense...which means a ton more resources needs to be dumped into the offense to get them to the point where they are cable of leading the rest of the team to victories.