Jamie Dukes gets it

[*FreeFua*]

Kugbila and Barner in the 2013 draft. Benjamin, Turner and Gaffney in this year's.

Of the eleven draft picks made under Gettleman, six have been defensive, five offensive, almost an even split.

You want to be angry at Gettleman? Fine, but at least use an argument that has some weight. This one isn't supported by the facts.

I'll give Turner a pass because he's a rookie and he seemed to be doing alright before getting hurt.

You immediately lose this one when you count Kugz, Barner and Gaffney as weapons. Now if we would've drafted Kenny Stills over Kugz then you'd have an argument.

[Khaki Lackey]

Cam can mask some weak OL play. Gettleman thought that with our defense, Cam would only have to score 14-21 per game and still win. He was hoping that Bell and Chandler could be a stopgap until he had some cap space or until he could draft an OT that he liked. He misjudged. Hell, he might have been right if Hardy were playing, but this notion that we would be golden with Morgan Moses and James fuging Hurst that everyone keeps spouting is idiotic.

[Jackofalltrades]

Cam can mask some weak OL play. Gettleman thought that with our defense, Cam would only have to score 14-21 per game and still win. He was hoping that Bell and Chandler could be a stopgap until he had some cap space or until he could draft an OT that he liked. He misjudged. Hell, he might have been right if Hardy were playing, but this notion that we would be golden with Morgan Moses and James fuging Hurst that everyone keeps spouting is idiotic.

This. All day long.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll give Turner a pass because he's a rookie and he seemed to be doing alright before getting hurt.

You immediately lose this one when you count Kugz, Barner and Gaffney as weapons. Now if we would've drafted Kenny Stills over Kugz then you'd have an argument.

 

Your argument was that they only care about defense and haven't tried to get offensive weapons.

 

How do you reconcile that with a near 50-50 split on draft picks?

[mcdougal]

How could I forget, it was the first one since he's been here

 

LOL at the Huddle.

 

The 8th/9th pass catching WR/TE taken at the end of the first round in year 4 of Newton/Rivera (the first offensive weapon taken in the 1 or 2 round since Newton) is deemed "surrounding Newton with talent."

 

You can't make this stuff up.

[Mr. Scot]

Cam can mask some weak OL play. Gettleman thought that with our defense, Cam would only have to score 14-21 per game and still win. He was hoping that Bell and Chandler could be a stopgap until he had some cap space or until he could draft an OT that he liked. He misjudged. Hell, he might have been right if Hardy were playing, but this notion that we would be golden with Morgan Moses and James fuging Hurst that everyone keeps spouting is idiotic.

 

Correct.

 

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Sure, we could have used two first round picks on OTs and a 2nd on an OG (regardless of value), and just not had Star, Short and Benjamin on the roster. We could have built a better OLine and gone with Sione Fua and Nick Hayden at DT and just crossed our fingers than Armanti Edwards blows up at WR. But then of course people would be saying how stupid DG is for not addressing DT and WR.

 

Fact is both of our drafts under Gettleman have easily been top 10 and possibly top 5 compared to the rest of the league. Given the resources he's had to work with he's done a very good job at adding talent. It's basically impossible to fix every position on a deeply flawed roster with no cap space and limited draft picks, this really isn't that hard to understand.

[bandu]

Any way you want to put it,DG has dropped the ball on the issues concerning the oL for the past TWO years and i in fact personally like DG outside this obvious and apparent flaw.

[Khaki Lackey]

Guess who's been sacked just as much if not more than Cam? Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers, and Ben Roethlisberger. Those GMs must hate those guys. Harumph! Cam is still having a decent year despite the OL.

[*FreeFua*]

Your argument was that they only care about defense and haven't tried to get offensive weapons.

How do you reconcile that with a near 50-50 split on draft picks?

If reaching for a guy like Kugz who was projected to be a 7th rounder-UDFA is considered trying to give Cam weapons then I can't help you.

You even said yourself earlier today the rate of guys that stay on rosters that are drafted in the later rounds isn't great.

So last year he went Star and KK and AJ in the 4th. This year KB, Ealy, TT and Boston. 5-2 defense.

[mcdougal]

Yes, I know what malpractice means. It's no different than a surgeon removing someone's right arm when the left one was supposed to be amputated. The left one still needs to be amputated, so now the person has neither, but they join the ranks of the "millionaire" class due to the doctor's mistake, not that they can enjoy the money much with no arms. 

 

Either way, I'm the one who said it's intentional. Just like not feeding a dog tied up behind your house. Not giving your so-called "franchise QB" an offensive line shows that you don't really consider him to be the franchise, and most of the people disagreeing with what I'm saying would be saying the same thing if Luck was here and going out there with a line like this.

 

Of course he wouldn't be. That "franchise" would be protected come hell or high-water. 

 

I can't go that far. Gettleman is entitled to build his team how he sees fit. It's his ass that is on the line if this all blows up in his face. As it should.

 

I do think Gettleman has been acting with gross negligence as it relates to Newton and the offense though. I agree with that. Dukes may be right. This may be a case of GM malpractice---just not a case of a GM intentionally trying to harm the team's QB.

 

But this is also why I don't have really high expectations of Cam and the offense. If you have a GM that is ignoring your side of the ball, it is NOT your responsibility to over compensate for HIS lack of knowledge. Do what you can do, and to your best abilities. Do Not turn over the ball...and manage the game like you have clearly been asked to do...

 

When that STILL doesn't work, the Owner should be smart of enough to recognize that you did your part...the GM completely and utter failed doing his.

[klumme]

First of all... I actually think Gettle has done a fine job with the O-line not counting OT.

 

Second, I think Gettle has done a nice job with the draft.

 

Third... Going into the season with Chandler and Bell was a bad idea from the get go. He made a huge mistake there. Hoving no depth at all behind those two was an even bigger mistake.

 

Its not all black and white.

[Sloth]

Sure, we could have used two first round picks on OTs and a 2nd on an OG (regardless of value), and just not had Star, Short and Benjamin on the roster. We could have built a better OLine and gone with Sione Fua and Nick Hayden at DT and just crossed our fingers than Armanti Edwards blows up at WR. But then of course people would be saying how stupid DG is for not addressing DT and WR.

 

Fact is both of our drafts under Gettleman have easily been top 10 and possibly top 5 compared to the rest of the league. Given the resources he's had to work with he's done a very good job at adding talent. It's basically impossible to fix every position on a deeply flawed roster with no cap space and limited draft picks, this really isn't that hard to understand.

 

I don't think Gettleman should be judged for another year or two considering his situation. That said, no way have his drafts been top 5/10 in the league.

[davos]

Balance should always be made...2 of the more important things for me:

 

Immediate success <-----> Long-term plan 

 

BPA <------> "Reaching" to address needs

 

Could the FO be too far on one side in these spectrums?  SS clearly didn't mesh with RR or DG so they cut ties.  I've gotten over that bit; it's in the past.  

 

But to stay so adamantly on the BPA strategy I feel can be detrimental, given the circumstance of course.  There are instances relative to the round and talent available where maybe going for a guy that addresses a need that let's say is #3 may be better for you than the #1 guy.  Just my two cents.   I will no doubt give Gettleman credit though, he drafts well.  We've got some solid talent but I question the building method irregardless of the cap situation.    

 

Don't forget we put out a decent offer to Collins which got outmatched by TB so we were active and recognized when an upgrade was present.  

 

The problem I have though is that we've been using this BPA drafting combined with a band-aid approach until we find a long term solution yet for the OT it's more of player development and putting a lot of faith in UDFAs that we already saw decent sample sizes from.  Why that move at that spot?  Not to mention we first started this regime with finding the 27 & under guys still with potential and this offseason went for mediocre/below-average vets.  Would have it been that hard to find a OT like we're using Velasco? They could have still put faith in Bell and Chandler but had that insurance at least.  

 

I just don't understand why we need to put so much pressure on Cam.   Newton and Kuechly should be leading this squad but they shouldn't have to carry the team this much.    

 

I'm trying to reserve my judgement on DG until after this coming offseason where we will have a lot of wiggle room.