So... anybody here still think Ron will eventually lead us to a Super Bowl?

[t96]

If you can hang your hat on 3-4-1 with 3 blowout losses in the process then hey good for you man.

 

I'm damn sure not. We are much better than that bullshit.

 

You really believe we have the talent on the team on both sides of the ball to be better than 3-4-1 right now also considering who we played? The Steelers and Ravens are no scrubs, they're much much better teams than anyone would've expected before the season. The rest of our schedule except for the Bucs has been damn hard.

[raleigh-panther]

There has been discussion on the board about good to great coaches who never won a Superbowl:  Schottenheimer, Wyche, Knox, George Allen, Fox, Coryell, Andy Reid,  Marv Levy.

 

Sometimes its talent, other times, luck, lack of injuries, favorable schedules etc.

 

My problem with Ron is when it goes bad, it goes really  really bad, really really quick.  He is slow on the uptake on adjustments in game  and I have never ever seen him go during game and talk to his offense or defense,  and/or change somehting that is not working...he just keeps trying over and over and over again..and very slow on accepting the limitations of his personnel and planning around it or adjusting for it.

 

I mean, let's face it, what has been 3 times this year at crucial moments we have 12 men on the field, are you kidding me.

 

I have never seen a team get blown out every other week against better competition.  I don't have any faith in him winning a playoff game. 

 

i can see him getting to the playoffs but that is as far as it goes; but,  that is just how I see it. He's not smart enough or quick enough.

 

I very much hope I am wrong.

 

 

[TheRed]

You really believe we have the talent on the team on both sides of the ball to be better than 3-4-1 right now also considering who we played? The Steelers and Ravens are no scrubs, they're much much better teams than anyone would've expected before the season. The rest of our schedule except for the Bucs has been damn hard.

 

There is a difference between going out there and competing versus simply getting your doors blown off like you never even prepared.

 

We clearly have pretty different mindsets on this, so hey, to each his own.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Not now,doesn't know when to go for the kill shot and still doesn't do well with time management.......then there's the players that he is constantly giving to many chances to....constant deflecting of blame as well

Hard to say he has a lot of critical flaws for a HC but he also has players playing for pennies

[Mr. Scot]

I wish, but if I'm being honest, no.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Lets remember two of the three trips in the red zone were player errors.  Cam's fumble and KBs Drop.  Good Plays were called but we didn't execute.

 

You can't put that on Rivera.  Either one of those two mistakes don't occur and we are winners this week.

 

Give Cam a decent line and Rivera will lead us to a Lombardi

[unicar15]

With better talent and an OC who doesn't piss his pants in the redzone...yes. Rivera's ability to manage a game isn't what is in question here.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

I don't even think he'll lead us to another playoff berth.

[Mojo]

I really don't know.   Most times Rivera just doesn't seem like a leader of men to me.  He just seems like a naturally passive kind of guy.  

[bigdog10]

It's hard for me to blame Rivera for this season as it is unfolding currently and there are a couple reasons why.

 

1.  Rivera had his 12-4 team absolutely gutted, either by retirements or questionable choices out of the front office.  Gross and Wharton were two huge losses on the o-line and we replaced them with Byron Bell (who is not a good tackle) and Amini Silatolu (who was coming off a season ending injury and IMO isn't very good either).  Couple that with having no depth on the line and having to rely on Nate Chandler at RT, and you have a problem.  

 

2.  Gettleman did him no favors in the offseason

-Releasing Smitty (no need to rehash this, but to say we miss his fire is a bit of an understatement)

-Losing Key veterans and replacing them with one year rentals or rookies (Captain-who i know we couldn't afford, Lafell, Mitchell, Mikell, Florence)

-Gettlemen bet on Harper and Decoud, and so far he lost that one

-Gettleman bet on Avant and Cothery, and so far, i'd give him a pass on this.  I believe Cotchery and Avant could be decent but they need some time to get open and the O-Line doesn't allow for that. 

 

 

3.  The Hardy Situation

I don't think having Hardy ultimately makes us a contender, but it would definitely have minimized our defensive struggles and masked the weaknesses of Decoud and Harper.  I don't really blame G-Man or Rivera for the Hardy situation (that is all on Hardy).

 

4.  Despite what many are saying, Ron is still making the 4th and 1 calls "Riverboat style".  The problem is, we get the first down but then subsequently stall out and have to settle for a FG or turn the ball over.  

 

I liked what I saw out of the defense this past Sunday.  I have to believe that was coaching from Rivera.  He and McDermott obviously lit a fire under the defense and they responded by playing a very good game.  A game that the panthers should have won.  With all that said, he needs to pull the plug on the Shula tenure.  The offensive playcalling is atrocious and it needs some freshening up.  I'm not sure we have a chance anyway with the O-line we have, but you have to make some adjustments to your playcalling as opposed to doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results.

 

Furthermore, the fact that Shula can't adequately call a game against a 3-4 is reason enough for him to be fired.  You absolutely can't have a coordinator that can't adjust to multiple defenses.  We will see variations of a 3-4 defense from every team we play from here on out.

[cultclassiccat]

im not ready to abandon ship just yet.  lets give ron and the f/o some coin to work with.  if this time next yr we are having this same convo, prepare the life rafts.

 

i will say if shula is still on board then all we are doing is rearranging the deck chairs.

[beastson]

No

 

One of those games I remember Cam mentioned in his presser about how relaxed the team was in practice and Rivera brushed it off, says a lot. All camp long Zod kept talking about this team and their energy. The team should still be hungry after winning 1 season. Now we're back to losing.

[klumme]

I trust Ron can make a Superbowl type defense. What he does on the other side will decide if i ever will get closer to a SB. 

[MichaelNewtonII]

Hell no