Lafail caught 9 of 9 passes for 124 yards?!

[t96]

Have Avant or Cotchery put up 100 this year?

 

Both have come close and they would have a much better chance if we had Gross at LT to give some more time for plays to develop. Philly as #2 in only 1 game got 80+. LaFell is nothing special putting that up against single coverage by a Bears defense that is absolutely horrible.

[FearTheCats]

Yeah but he sucks, and it was all Tom Brady and how good the Patriot offense is!?

Genius' on this board hated Lafell when he was purely a #3 WR and showing that he is quite capable of contributing. Lafell wasn't the problem the offense, the line, and Cam's eratic throwing did Lafell no favors.

lol, sure Cam has some bad throws but LaFell had the some of the most awful drops I've ever seen. Oh wait that's Cam's fault right for throwing it too hard?

[BuffaloBills62]

lol, sure Cam has some bad throws but LaFell had the some of the most awful drops I've ever seen. Oh wait that's Cam's fault right for throwing it too hard?

 

No.  I blame the OC.  Way back when he was a coach Eddie Cochems invented the forward pass.  Since then the Panthers have struggled at it and have failed miserably at this concept he created.  He doomed the Panthers to what they are today.

[RelaxImaPro]

WR's drop balls.

Some times they do it at key times and that is more about their being "clutch" as the kids call it.

Nonetheless, he is a consistent WR who would upgrade the Panthers roster tomorrow.

LaFell and consistent should never be used in the same sentence unless it's "LaFell consistently gives up on plays, consistently disappears, consistently alligator-arms passes consistently drops balls at the worst times, consistently tips catchable balls into defenders hands for easy interceptions..."

He's always shown random flashes that make you go "what the hell? Well maybe hes finally putting it together". Then he proceeds to remind you that hes Brandon LaFell.

We know exactly who he is, and he wouldn't upgrade our roster at all aside maybe his blocking. Who knows, maybe in year 5 with a 1st ballot HOF QB hes finally putting it together.

But yeah tell us more about this frustrating player who we've watched play his entire career.

[*FreeFua*]

Both have come close and they would have a much better chance if we had Gross at LT to give some more time for plays to develop. Philly as #2 in only 1 game got 80+. LaFell is nothing special putting that up against single coverage by a Bears defense that is absolutely horrible.

Avant and Cotchery haven't come close to 100. Cotchery had an 80 yard game against Baltimore and that was his best game.

Cotchery and Avant combined only have 40 more yards than Lafell. Lafell also didn't register a yard or a catch his first 2 games.

I think Lafell is benefiting from being pushed harder by the coaches in NE. I think there's alot of truth to his comment during training camp about practice.

I think if Lafell would've stayed here we would've gotten the same Lafell as in years past. Lafell didn't want to step up when we needed him to and that's why I was ok with letting him go.

Btw that awful Bears D you're talking about held Cotchery and Avant to under 100 yards combined.

[X-Clown]

No.  I blame the OC.  Way back when he was a coach Eddie Cochems invented the forward pass.  Since then the Panthers have struggled at it and have failed miserably at this concept he created.  He doomed the Panthers to what they are today.

 

Coming from a Bills fan this is rich....how many shitty QBs have you had since the Panthers came into existence?

[teeray]

Might just be he is a better fit in a different scheme.

[BuffaloBills62]

Coming from a Bills fan this is rich....how many shitty QBs have you had since the Panthers came into existence?

 

I look at other faults for the problems in Buffalo.  See, had there never been a large animal roaming the vastness of this great country we live we would have never had a town named Buffalo, or the old name Buffalo Creek.   We would have been called Beaver Creek and then Beaver, NY.  And, well, you would not be able to be called Beaver Bills because only ducks have Bills.  Ergo, we would have been called a different town and who really wants a football team in Beaver?  Sure, maybe in the 60's and 70's it was common but it would not have been suitable anymore, when is the last time anyone appreciated Beavers?  We would have been outdated being called Beavers and forward thinkers at the time would have realized that and have moved the team to Toronto and given us a snazzy new name, like the Argonauts or Maple Leafs.

 

Instead, we're the Buffalo Bills and for that I blame God.  That asshole has been f'n things up from the start.

[BuffaloBills62]

Coming from a Bills fan this is rich....how many shitty QBs have you had since the Panthers came into existence?

Coming from a Bills fan this is rich....how many shitty QBs have you had since the Panthers came into existence?

for shits and giggles I compared a some of the Bills QB's.  Ryan Fitzpatrick = Jake Delhomme -

115 TD's, 100 INT's, 18,547 yards, 78.3 rtg, 93 games, 10 seasons = 126 TD's, 101 INT's, 20,975 yards, 81.3 rtg, 103 games, 14 seasons

 

Delhomme had much more talent then Fitz on offense, a much better D, all in all both QB's are of equal talent

 

Drew Bledsoe > Kerry Collins

251 TD's, 206 INT's, 44,611 yards, 77.1 rtg > 208 TD's, 196 INT's, 40,992 yards, 73.8 rtg

 

Jim Kelly > Cam Newton (i know this isn't fair, but the best against the best, though the game is much more passer heavy now)

237 TD's, 175 INT's, 35,467 yards, 84.4 rating, 9-8 playoffs > 72 TD's, 46 INT's, 12,942 yards, 86.4 rating,  0-1 playoffs

 

 

Flutie > Beuerlein

 

I'm not going to spend much more time on this, but you can look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Carolina_Panthers_starting_quarterbacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffalo_Bills_starting_quarterbacks

 

How quick do you forget the poo you've had at QB in the same time?

 

We will just put Clausen, St Pierre, and Moore as a wash against Brian Brohm, Jeff Tuel, and Thad Lewis.

 

[FearTheCats]

for shits and giggles I compared a some of the Bills QB's. Ryan Fitzpatrick = Jake Delhomme -

115 TD's, 100 INT's, 18,547 yards, 78.3 rtg, 93 games, 10 seasons = 126 TD's, 101 INT's, 20,975 yards, 81.3 rtg, 103 games, 14 seasons

Delhomme had much more talent then Fitz on offense, a much better D, all in all both QB's are of equal talent

Drew Bledsoe > Kerry Collins

251 TD's, 206 INT's, 44,611 yards, 77.1 rtg > 208 TD's, 196 INT's, 40,992 yards, 73.8 rtg

Jim Kelly > Cam Newton (i know this isn't fair, but the best against the best, though the game is much more passer heavy now)

237 TD's, 175 INT's, 35,467 yards, 84.4 rating, 9-8 playoffs > 72 TD's, 46 INT's, 12,942 yards, 86.4 rating, 0-1 playoffs

Flutie > Beuerlein

I'm not going to spend much more time on this, but you can look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Carolina_Panthers_starting_quarterbacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffalo_Bills_starting_quarterbacks

How quick do you forget the poo you've had at QB in the same time?

We will just put Clausen, St Pierre, and Moore as a wash against Brian Brohm, Jeff Tuel, and Thad Lewis.

Delhomme is/was better than Fitzpatrick. He may not have been great but at least he played on multiple playoff teams and in a Super Bowl. Fitzpatrick can't say that. And how could you compare Cam and Jim Kelly when Cam's career is still somewhat just starting?

[BuffaloBills62]

Delhomme is/was better than Fitzpatrick. He may not have been great but at least he played on multiple playoff teams and in a Super Bowl. Fitzpatrick can't say that. And how could you compare Cam and Jim Kelly when Cam's career is still somewhat just starting?

 

Fitz will lead his team to the playoffs this year.  When his career is over I believe it will be greater then Delhommes.  The NFC was very weak the year they went to the Super Bowl riding on the laurels of a great D and amazing talent on offense.

 

And wrt to Kelly/Newton - in the specs of the question I can.  I was asked how many good QB's the Bills have had in the time that the Panthers had been created - it was a fair comparison.

 

By all means Newton should have more TD's and yards by the end of his career.  If he does not then he will have had a tragic injury ending his career, that's the only excuse.  The league passing numbers have been higher then ever in the last ten years.

 

26 QB's on the all time yardage leader board in the top 150?  Hell, Sanchez is at 152.  See here

[t96]

Avant and Cotchery haven't come close to 100. Cotchery had an 80 yard game against Baltimore and that was his best game.

Cotchery and Avant combined only have 40 more yards than Lafell. Lafell also didn't register a yard or a catch his first 2 games.

I think Lafell is benefiting from being pushed harder by the coaches in NE. I think there's alot of truth to his comment during training camp about practice.

I think if Lafell would've stayed here we would've gotten the same Lafell as in years past. Lafell didn't want to step up when we needed him to and that's why I was ok with letting him go.

Btw that awful Bears D you're talking about held Cotchery and Avant to under 100 yards combined.

 

I looked back at Avant and no he hasn't but 80 yards is close to 100. Like I said though, if our line could give us more time for guys' routes to finish, Avant and Cotch would total probably 3 or 4 100 yard games so far this season. 

 

LaFell is benefitting from having a HoF QB, having Gronkowski and Edelman take away half the defense, and having the easiest schedule in the league. Last year in our last 2 games when Smitty was OUT, LaFell had how many catches? 1 for 13 yards. The guy fuging sucks no matter where he is, Thompkins played the exact same role last year as LaFell has this year and he did just as good or better. Guess what, he was just cut, picked up by Oakland and hasn't done sh*t there. LaFell sucks. 

 

You don't realize that that is completely irrelevant. Against us the Bears had Fuller, Conte, Briggs, etc they didn't against the Patriots.

[X-Clown]

for shits and giggles I compared a some of the Bills QB's.  Ryan Fitzpatrick = Jake Delhomme -

115 TD's, 100 INT's, 18,547 yards, 78.3 rtg, 93 games, 10 seasons = 126 TD's, 101 INT's, 20,975 yards, 81.3 rtg, 103 games, 14 seasons

 

Delhomme had much more talent then Fitz on offense, a much better D, all in all both QB's are of equal talent

 

Drew Bledsoe > Kerry Collins

251 TD's, 206 INT's, 44,611 yards, 77.1 rtg > 208 TD's, 196 INT's, 40,992 yards, 73.8 rtg

 

Jim Kelly > Cam Newton (i know this isn't fair, but the best against the best, though the game is much more passer heavy now)

237 TD's, 175 INT's, 35,467 yards, 84.4 rating, 9-8 playoffs > 72 TD's, 46 INT's, 12,942 yards, 86.4 rating,  0-1 playoffs

 

 

Flutie > Beuerlein

 

I'm not going to spend much more time on this, but you can look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Carolina_Panthers_starting_quarterbacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buffalo_Bills_starting_quarterbacks

 

How quick do you forget the poo you've had at QB in the same time?

 

We will just put Clausen, St Pierre, and Moore as a wash against Brian Brohm, Jeff Tuel, and Thad Lewis.

 

Reading comprehension is not your friend....I didn't say the Panthers had a great or good QB tradition, just commenting that yours have at the very least been equally as shitty as ours during our tenure, arguably worse. Kelly was on the downside of his career in 1995, so I don't even consider his career before the 95 sesaon in this discussion.

 

Delhomme sucked his last 2 years as a starter in particular, but made a Pro Bowl, played his ass off in a Superbowl and played in 2 NFC Championships, then made the playoffs again in 2008. Jake had 3 full seasons that he posted a QB rating that were better than Ryan Fitzpatrick's career high, meaning that at his peak it wasn't even close. He had better supporting casts, but you can't tell me with a straight face that Ryan Fitzpatrick could lead a team to the Superbowl. In Houston right now, he has an all-star supporting cast on offense and is the clear weak link.

 

As far as winning in a "weak NFC" in the 03 playoffs, the Panthers beat a 10 win Cowboys team, a 12 win Rams team and a 12 win Eagles team in the playoffs, so that sounds like dismissive hyperbole to me. They also were basically one out of bounds kickoff from winning the Superbowl over a 14 win Patriots team that ended up taking 3 out of 4 superbowls.

 

Also interesting that you conveniently put St. Pierre in your argument who started only one game due to injury for us but left out Rob Johnson, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, and EJ Manuel out who at some point or another were considered "the answer" for the Bills.

[BuffaloBills62]

Reading comprehension is not your friend....I didn't say the Panthers had a great or good QB tradition, just commenting that yours have at the very least been equally as shitty as ours during our tenure, arguably worse. Kelly was on the downside of his career in 1995, so I don't even consider his career before the 95 sesaon in this discussion.

Delhomme sucked his last 2 years as a starter in particular, but made a Pro Bowl, played his ass off in a Superbowl and played in 2 NFC Championships, then made the playoffs again in 2008. Jake had 3 full seasons that he posted a QB rating that were better than Ryan Fitzpatrick's career high, meaning that at his peak it wasn't even close. He had better supporting casts, but you can't tell me with a straight face that Ryan Fitzpatrick could lead a team to the Superbowl. In Houston right now, he has an all-star supporting cast on offense and is the clear weak link.

As far as winning in a "weak NFC" in the 03 playoffs, the Panthers beat a 10 win Cowboys team, a 12 win Rams team and a 12 win Eagles team in the playoffs, so that sounds like dismissive hyperbole to me. They also were basically one out of bounds kickoff from winning the Superbowl over a 14 win Patriots team that ended up taking 3 out of 4 superbowls.

Also interesting that you conveniently put St. Pierre in your argument who started only one game due to injury for us but left out Rob Johnson, JP Losman, Trent Edwards, and EJ Manuel out who at some point or another were considered "the answer" for the Bills.

I put in Tueland Brohm. Dude, I would love to have St Pierre if you take Brohm.

I was using the Panthers as your line of measurement.

I was looking at stat leaders @QB the other day. Its amazing how the current league is so in favor of the QB. Its sad, almost. Soon Marino, Elway, krieg, Moon, and many others will be forgotten. Even testeverde is now overlooked to how good he was.

Now guys like McNabb, Gannon, Kerry Collins and many other mediocre QB's have surpassed some of the games greats. Aikman, Young and Testeverde are now below those guys. I'd rather have the latter than the former.