That's it, I'm making it official

[OriginalPantherDan]

I'm officially on the trade Newton bandwagon. Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, but I just don't see him having any Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady success, year in and out. At best he will have McNabb, Culpepper, Jeff Garcia success. We would pretty much have to build a super team around him to have great success. We would have to build a "2000 Raven's" defense, give him super receivers and a super O-line before we are contenders every year. Well, if I got to do all that, I'm sure I would be contenders with any game manager QB behind the line.

With this coaching staff on board, Cam will never do anything. I'm starting to wonder if Cam even wants to be a consistent passer, or does he simply want to run for a hundred yards every game. I'm tired of it all. I said it before, the pocket passer still rule in this league, and that isn't about to change. It's possible when you have an athletic QB, management tends to not put pieces around you to help you out. They don't get you a good LT. They don't give you 5 receiver sets and short quick routes. I mean come on, where are our 5 receiver sets? Where are our quick, short routes? Also, flip is up with our screen game, having Cam turn around a couple of times before dropping the ball off to Stew? This offense pretty much look like Chud 2.0 with all these read options, which cost us points by the way on that fumble near the goal line. I'm surprise that doesn't happen more with that play around the league. However in our case, I wish it did happen more. So we can put that play in the garbage right where it belongs.

All in all, in my opinion, we should trade Newton now (not now actually right now, but in the offseason). That is our best option, because I don't see him ever learning things like consistently stepping up in the pocket. I said we should have let Hardy walk in the offseason, and look at how that cost us. We are most likely not going to resign him, so it has turned out to be a big waste of money. In this case, we need to trade Newton, and get the most we can for him. The only way I would be on board with Newton long term, is if we hired a "Pro-offensive genius" as OC or HC. Somebody that will instantly drop all the gimmicks, and tell Cam to only run as an absolute last option. I wouldn't be too mad if he threw in a "COUPLE" of read options or designed runs, but that is the absolute MAX each game. Give me a retired Manning at HC, maybe a David Shaw, maybe. Shoot, Jim Harbaugh will be a free agent soon, I would throw all my money at him. (Though I would be sad to see the 4-3 defense go. I'm a 4-3 baby, but I will say if he could build a 3-4 with players similar to the 49ers, I won't complain one bit)

This poo cracks me up. You must be insane to think Cam is the problem.

[Matthias]

This poo cracks me up. You must be insane to think Cam is the problem.

 

Cam isn't "the" problem.  Yet I think I've had my fill with the athletic QB.  Of course it's not Cam's athleticism that's the problem, it's that after four years, that is still his greatest attribute.  When teams think of Cam, they think running QB.  It would be an absolute lie to say otherwise.  Nobody is scared of Cam's throwing ability, it's the run game they prepare for.  If I'm Cam, that should burn me up.  

[CardiacCat87]

Cam is "the" problem.  Yet I think I've had my fill with the athletic QB.  Of course it's not Cam's athleticism that's the problem, it's that after four years, that is still his greatest attribute.  When teams think of Cam, they think running QB.  It would be an absolute lie to say otherwise.  Nobody is scared of Cam's throwing ability, it's the run game they prepare for.  If I'm Cam, that should burn me up.  

 

His NFL records prove your point null and void my friend. You are basically saying he can't throw the ball worth a fug. He stats and records say otherwise. 

[Matthias]

His NFL records prove your point null and void my friend. You are basically saying he can't throw the ball worth a fug. He stats and records say otherwise. 

 

I saw my quote say "is the problem", I meant to say isn't.  As for his throwing, I know he can throw.  The thing is his running ability is what is highlighted.  By the way, is he going to throw for over 4,000 yards this year?  When's the last time he threw for over 300?  Things need to change in order for us to be a contender.

[IceWhiteice]

I am sick of people on this message board call others names and dogging them. This board is for people to express how they feel. At the end of the day this is just football( entertainment). Some people just don't know how to at anywhere. Its sad, it truly is.

[CardiacCat87]

I saw my quote say "is the problem", I meant to say isn't.  As for his throwing, I know he can throw.  The thing is his running ability is what is highlighted.  By the way, is he going to throw for over 4,000 yards this year?  When's the last time he threw for over 300?  Things need to change in order for us to be a contender.

 

Would you not agree that maybe, just maybe, his throwing stats would increase considering that this organization would put a half ass line in front of him? Something that at least offered him sub par protection?

[footballisasport]

Yeah, it's clear this thread is a joke but how many of the Panthers fans will take that thought pattern seriously? 

 

I guess if Cam did what Luck did today , fell on his ass as soon as he got the snap, some of you would have been screaming for him to be benched.

 

But in all honesty, it does goes to show how much the fans for this team realize how pathetic the team really is and instead expect their QB to DO IT ALL. Sadly it seems Cam has bought into the dysfunctional mindset. 

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Cam isn't "the" problem. Yet I think I've had my fill with the athletic QB. Of course it's not Cam's athleticism that's the problem, it's that after four years, that is still his greatest attribute. When teams think of Cam, they think running QB. It would be an absolute lie to say otherwise. Nobody is scared of Cam's throwing ability, it's the run game they prepare for. If I'm Cam, that should burn me up.

You on a hallucinogen? Or have you been for the past 4 years? Lol don't post again man and don't be a panthers fan

[Matthias]

Would you not agree that maybe, just maybe, his throwing stats would increase considering that this organization would put a half ass line in front of him? Something that at least offered him sub par protection?

 

Yes we have a sorry line, but there are things we can do to help that out.  Run 5 receiver sets to spread the defense out.  If the defense blitz on Bell's side, there should be a receiver waiting and willing to make them pay.  Lob some passes to Benjamin.  There are things that could be done to counteract this bad O-line.  I don't care how bad it is, they should be able to protect Cam for at least three seconds in the shotgun formation.  Especially if Cam steps up.  He tends to stand like a statue in the pocket, waiting for guys to come open.

[BuzzCity4Life]

You sir are an idiot

[Byrdman4real]

Yeah.... things are getting out of hand.....

Yes it is

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[footballisasport]

I'm officially on the trade Newton bandwagon.  Sometimes you have to make the hard decisions, but I just don't see him having any Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady success, year in and out.  At best he will have McNabb, Culpepper, Jeff Garcia success.  We would pretty much have to build a super team around him to have great success.  We would have to build a "2000 Raven's" defense, give him super receivers and a super O-line before we are contenders every year.  Well, if I got to do all that, I'm sure I would be contenders with any game manager QB behind the line.  

 

With this coaching staff on board, Cam will never do anything.  I'm starting to wonder if Cam even wants to be a consistent passer, or does he simply want to run for a hundred yards every game.  I'm tired of it all.  I said it before, the pocket passer still rule in this league, and that isn't about to change.  It's possible when you have an athletic QB, management tends to not put pieces around you to help you out.  They don't get you a good LT.  They don't give you 5 receiver sets and short quick routes.   I mean come on, where are our 5 receiver sets?  Where are our quick, short routes?  Also, flip is up with our screen game, having Cam turn around a couple of times before dropping the ball off to Stew?  This offense pretty much look like Chud 2.0 with all these read options, which cost us points by the way on that fumble near the goal line.  I'm surprise that doesn't happen more with that play around the league.  However in our case, I wish it did happen more.  So we can put that play in the garbage right where it belongs.  

 

All in all, in my opinion, we should trade Newton now (not now actually right now, but in the offseason).  That is our best option, because I don't see him ever learning things like consistently stepping up in the pocket.  I said we should have let Hardy walk in the offseason, and look at how that cost us.  We are most likely not going to resign him, so it has turned out to be a big waste of money.  In this case, we need to trade Newton, and get the most we can for him.  The only way I would be on board with Newton long term, is if we hired a "Pro-offensive genius" as OC or HC.  Somebody that will instantly drop all the gimmicks, and tell Cam to only run as an absolute last option.  I wouldn't be too mad if he threw in a "COUPLE" of read options or designed runs, but that is the absolute MAX each game.  Give me a retired Manning at HC, maybe a David Shaw, maybe.  Shoot, Jim Harbaugh will be a free agent soon, I would throw all my money at him. (Though I would be sad to see the 4-3 defense go.  I'm a 4-3 baby, but I will say if he could build a 3-4 with players similar to the 49ers, I won't complain one bit)

 

YUP, I agree. trade Cam NOW!!! He isn't good enough for this team. 

 

It's his fault the defense spotted the opposing team 21 points before the half of the past three or four games. It's his fault the O-line sucks. It's his fault the coaches are so ego driven that it seems the treating every game like training camp instead of real games. It's his fault that...fill-in-the blank.

 

And even worst is, his stats are suffering because he doesn't want to be seen as a "me first" QB like all the other Elite QBs, so he spends less time padding his scores and instead do all he can to help his team win. 

 

YES! ALL LEGIT REASONS FOR A TRADE...

[CardiacCat87]

Yes we have a sorry line, but there are things we can do to help that out.  Run 5 receiver sets to spread the defense out.  If the defense blitz on Bell's side, there should be a receiver waiting and willing to make them pay.  Lob some passes to Benjamin.  There are things that could be done to counteract this bad O-line.  I don't care how bad it is, they should be able to protect Cam for at least three seconds in the shotgun formation.  Especially if Cam steps up.  He tends to stand like a statue in the pocket, waiting for guys to come open.

 

I just find it extremely hard to sit here and point a finger at Newton when, in my honest opinion, he is one of the few gems we actually have. He is one of the very few bright spots on this team. A lot of these other guys surrounding him are garbage and need to be replaced. That bomb he tossed to KB today... That was pretty sweet. That shows his throwing ability. He basically had KB in the end zone for that TD in the first too. That isn't his fault. Did you see him shake off that defender in our own end zone to avoid the safety? How many other QB's could have done that? I agree, he made a few bone headed plays today, no doubt. The guy is desperate to win and desperate for some help out there. 

[Matthias]

I just find it extremely hard to sit here and point a finger at Newton when, in my honest opinion, he is one of the few gems we actually have. He is one of the very few bright spots on this team. A lot of these other guys surrounding him are garbage and need to be replaced. That bomb he tossed to KB today... That was pretty sweet. That shows his throwing ability. He basically had KB in the end zone for that TD in the first too. That isn't his fault. Did you see him shake off that defender in our own end zone to avoid the safety? How many other QB's could have done that? I agree, he made a few bone headed plays today, no doubt. The guy is desperate to win and desperate for some help out there. 

 

Listen, I've seen Cam make spectacular throws.  He's a great player.  Yet it's getting down to crunch time.  We are about to enter the point of no return.  I want to know if I got a guy who has the ability to win multiple superbowls, or just a guy who can put up probowl numbers.  Four years into his career, I just don't see the year in year out guy.  I don't see the Peyton,Brady,Rodgers guy.  I see a rich man's Daunte Culpepper.  I believe it would be better to trade him away, get some 1st round picks, and build this team up.  Amari Cooper looks like a generational player.  We could get him to play alongside Benjamin.  At the same time draft Landon Collins and draft a great OT in Ereck Flowers.  In the second round draft some more talent. (Then next year having two first round picks as well)  Cam would serve the team better in this purpose if you ask me.  Still take this team to the superbowl, but in a different way.