E BRown. What you think?

[scpanther22]

One pre-season game, people, that's all it is. He is about where everyone expected. You have to give him time to develop before making rash judgments.

who is making rash judgments..he got handled most of the game..and from all the stuff coming out of camp about how good he was nobody expected him to play like he did.

i am not worried about him just saying

[thefuzz]

Was hoping for a little more, but pretty much right where I thought that a smallish rookie DE should be.

Would like to see the game tape again, just to review some things....like who was lined up beside him, and how often were the Giants going into 5 and 7 step drops...

Should be OK.

[vumpler]

I didn't like what I saw... To have all the hype about him in camp talking about how quickly he was picking things up and how great he was performing, I didn't see much of that tonight.

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He must be practicing against our 2nd and 3rd string O-line. Because theres no way in hell he's moving one of our starters. He wasn't just getting handled, he was flat out getting beasted by the Giants first team. It looked like Brown was working his ass off and the O-line was just laughing at him.

Reminded me of an adult holding a little kid by their head with an outstretched arm, while the kid just kicks and punches at him.

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I was disappointed in his performance but at he same time noticed during the replays that he was getting held like a mofo especially against the second string rookie tackle. The giants also seem to have a scheme where the guard shifts over to help the tackle because almost every play Brown would beat the tackle with his speed only to get picked up by the guard. I think in one on one situations he definitely has the potential to be a solid end in the league.

[CRA]

1st, the Giants may have the best OL in the NFL. Considering that, I thought he looked pretty good for his first NFL snaps.

[Jackofalltrades]

Brown doubled a lot, which I took as a good sign. It was his first ever live action at this level, so I thought he looked pretty decent. I'd like to see Brown with Peppers on the field more so Pep will get the majority of the attention.

[Peppers90 NC]

One pre-season game, people, that's all it is. He is about where everyone expected. You have to give him time to develop before making rash judgments.

The thread was asking about our first impression of him. We have only seen this game, so what else did you want people to go by? He obviously has some things to work on, and people are right to point that out at this point. Nobody has called him a bust or anything. Answer the question yourself.

[Sloth]

Production-wise, he was about the same as any other DE on our roster.

He looked ok for his first game. Not a phenom or anything, but no one on our DLine looked all that great.

[Woodie]

He looked ok, had his ups and downs. I think he will be a fine rush specialist this year, but I think he will get engulfed if we use him for much more than that.

The thing is, he has the moves and drive to be exceptional, but with him being a smaller DE, I think he needs to get a lot stronger. To me his style should be along the lines of a Strahan or Osi, but both of those guys are extremely strong and have the ability (or had in Strahan's case) to overpower the OT along with the technique to allow them to be dominant. Thus far, and even from what I saw of him at FSU, I don't think Brown has the strength to overpower an offensinve lineman, which I see as his only real weakness (no pun intended).

[DOUBLETROUBLE28]

opinion after just 1 preseason game...... hilee taylor looked just as good or better

but its just one game

agree

[Montsta]

One pre-season game, people, that's all it is. He is about where everyone expected. You have to give him time to develop before making rash judgments.

My initial impressions are this:

-He tries to use the spin-move too early and too often, and it just didn't look that good when he did it. He comes up too high and needs to play lower and use the swim move more often. When the tackle gets locked in with him, he never could get out of it. Even if the spin-move itself was effective, the tackle would break off and push him behind the QB, giving him all the time he needed.

-The thing that really scares me is the kid just looked gassed. I don't mean to say he wasn't trying or looked tired, or didn't play at 110% with all the energy he could muster, but gassed. My wife asked me the difference when I mentioned it during the game, and I said tired is what 320 lb. defensive lineman look like in the 4th quarter that have been pursuing a scrambling QB or an Adrian Peterson all game long. Gassed is when you've been in the game for 5 plays, and David Carr scrambles and you give up on pursuit when he is 10 yards away because you've got nothing left in the tank.

-That being said, he did some things right and did look effective on some others, and he is about where I expected him to be. With some good coaching, weight programs, and a dedication to being his own biggest critic while watching game film, I think he could develop into a pretty good all around DE.

I'd like to put on a side note that if the kid was playing opposite Peppers and had a couple DT's that could collapse the pocket from the front, I think his real potential will be seen. That's when his spin move becomes way more effective, because the tackle can't just push him behind the QB when he does it, because the QB will be standing there from the DT's collapsing the front. I agree with Beason, we need a lot of help at DT for our ends to be more effective.

[DaCityKats]

i liked what i seen in ebeezie last night.....he never quit on a play,and kept bringing it each play.when he was in on the 1st drive he had good pressure with pep but eli just step up in the pocket....luckily for us the rt wasn't on the line so the play didn't count.and if a rt isn't on the line,it is bc he wants to get a head start bc he is going against a pretty fast de.that being said hopefully he will improve bc im exicted about him.

[Vagrant]

I think one thing that I noticed that Meeks will work with him on is the fact that he was allowing the tackles to touch him, even initiating contact with them, without making moves. He was trying a lot of inside moves also, which will not be his strong point once he learns how to pass rush against NFL tackles.

Once a NFL caliber tackle that goes about 6-6 350 gets his hands on Brown who gives up 100 lbs. and 5 inches.... it's game over. I don't care how fast you are. Watch some tape of Dwight Freeney and watch what he does to keep hands off of him. He'll sprint outside, then cut back up field and he's constantly using his hands the whole time to keep the MUCH stronger tackles from getting a piece of him. Once he has their momentum going to the outside, *BAM* he rolls back on them with an inside spin or swim move and has an open lane to the QB that way. The hands are probably the most important part, because if Brown can learn to use his paws to keep the OT from being able to get a big piece of him it becomes speed vs. speed. Keep knocking those hands down.

Brown last night was exploding with two extended arms into these offensive tackles and getting swallowed up. He was creating contact when his speed should make him want to avoid it. He was getting no push on these linemen and THEN he was trying his moves. He would just spin in place and the linemen would back up and still keep him in their arms.

He has to at least SHOW them the outside speed to keep them honest before he tries to change it up and bull rush. You can tell he was used to knocking ACC linemen off their pegs with his surprising strength and then spinning inside and having it work. Not in the league, man.

[Tank]

Seemed small and ineffective. Beatty seemed to own him when I was watching.