Newton Positive? Reed's latest article not too convincing to me for some reason

[Anybodyhome]

Dalton is a roleplayer.

Back at you.

Since he arrived, it would be tough to argue there are more than 2 QBs who had had a more well rounded team around them

I didn't say he was Jimmy Clausen. Said he was a JAG.

 

"Role player," "game manager," whatever you want to call them based on your perception and definition.

 

Are you saying the QBs who happen to fall into your categories as above shouldn't be paid like a non-role player? (I'm not sure what you have decided to label them to be, so I'll stick with the easiest converse term).

 

The reality is this: you can label someone like Dalton or whomever else you have on your list and claim all day long they're not as good or don't have the talent or don't meet some arbitrary measure as a QB in your opinion that stacks up to Cam Newton. But the fact of the matter is this- there are just as many "role players" winning football games and getting to the post season. And guess what, call Andy Dalton a role player or a game manager or whatever you like, he's at least getting to the post season and he's putting up one winning season after another. And let's not forget that Andy Dalton was going to the playoffs as a rookie and after 3 seasons, he's still going to the playoffs, while it took Cam 3 seasons to get there.

 

And, as the vast majority of the posts in this thread have indicated, winning games and getting to the post season are the predominant reasons for considering someone a successful QB, and justify them getting paid, regardless of whether or not you think they're a role player.

 

[PantherFanOne]

The main thing i got out of the interview with Cam was his positive take on the Panthers still leading in the NFC South despite everything that has happened.

[Anybodyhome]

"Basically, Newton's supporting cast is not doing enough, and Cam does have to carry the team more than he should, and though he is saying the right things, he is still feeling the pressure. I just wonder what's really going on in his mind, particularly because of a looming contract, tag or free agency off in the distance."

 

Has anyone ever considered the obvious? Like maybe his "supporting cast" simply doesn't have the talent or skill set to do any more than what they're doing now? Why does it have to come back on Cam Newton? Cam Newton is not the one supposedly building the Panther roster. 

[CRA]

"Role player," "game manager," whatever you want to call them based on your perception and definition.

Are you saying the QBs who happen to fall into your categories as above shouldn't be paid like a non-role player? (I'm not sure what you have decided to label them to be, so I'll stick with the easiest converse term).

The reality is this: you can label someone like Dalton or whomever else you have on your list and claim all day long they're not as good or don't have the talent or don't meet some arbitrary measure as a QB in your opinion that stacks up to Cam Newton. But the fact of the matter is this- there are just as many "role players" winning football games and getting to the post season. And guess what, call Andy Dalton a role player or a game manager or whatever you like, he's at least getting to the post season and he's putting up one winning season after another. And let's not forget that Andy Dalton was going to the playoffs as a rookie and after 3 seasons, he's still going to the playoffs, while it took Cam 3 seasons to get there.

And, as the vast majority of the posts in this thread have indicated, winning games and getting to the post season are the predominant reasons for considering someone a successful QB, and justify them getting paid, regardless of whether or not you think they're a role player.

Calling him a roleplayer is based on what he does on the field and his impact on his team.

Roleplayers are fine. You just have to have a stacked team around them if your QB is one. Bengals do.

Cam isn't a roleplayer.....which is why Carolina can gamble more than Cincy in terms of putting a poo ton of garbage on the field.

Cincy could even dream of gambling with putting a weak team on the field around their QB and think they can win like we do......that is why Dalton and Cam aren't comparble

[top dawg]

"Basically, Newton's supporting cast is not doing enough, and Cam does have to carry the team more than he should, and though he is saying the right things, he is still feeling the pressure. I just wonder what's really going on in his mind, particularly because of a looming contract, tag or free agency off in the distance."

 

Has anyone ever considered the obvious? Like maybe his "supporting cast" simply doesn't have the talent or skill set to do any more than what they're doing now? Why does it have to come back on Cam Newton? Cam Newton is not the one supposedly building the Panther roster. 

 

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that lesser (and greater) QBs would have had less success than Cam Newton if they were surrounded by the same level of talent on both sides of the ball that Cam has had to deal with in the NFL.  

 

Wins and losses are not solely the responsibility of the QB. This is a team sport---from the GM to the coaches to the players---and you shouldn't be penalized financially or otherwise because people can't (or won't) do their jobs.

 

Can you imagine even Manning, Brady or Brees playing with decidedly mediocre receiving options, and more importantly getting pummeled or trying to run for their lives every other play?  I can't.  Their bosses are going to put a premium on protection if nothing else.  You can't have a lack of protection and receivers having a hard time getting open on a play. Lord knows where we would be with Andy Dalton (for instance, since he has been brought up a number of times in this thread).  And we haven't even talked about the sometimes curious coaching, the underwhelming running game, and the horrid defense that he has played with (except for last season, of course).

 

Cam is going to get paid---like it or not---and he should be.  Others are---some who would possibly do less, and some who would probably do less under similar circumstances.   If we don't pay Cam, someone else will.  Everything must be taken into account when deciding compensation.  Opposing GMs will definitely do this, if ours won't.  

[KendrickPanther]

I think our fan base takes all their insecurities and angst and projects them onto Cam. 

 

"If I was Cam, I'd ask for a trade"

 

"There is no way Cam is signing an extension with this oline"

 

"I wonder what Cam thinks when he sees all the weapons in Indianapolis"

 

"Cam can't wait to get out of Charlotte away from this dysfunctional organization"

 

and my favorite "These fans don't deserve Cam"

 

"Cam can't wait to go to a bigger market where he will be appreciated and make more money on endorsements"

 

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I'm not singling out the OP but these are very common statements on the huddle. Everyone thinks they know what Cam is thinking. Really they are just trying to think for Cam, with their own bias and life experiences. 

 

There are things Cam knows that we will never know from a personnel and organizational standpoint. I can assure you the only person that knows what Cam is thinking is Cam himself. He's even starting to speak and act on his own rather than through the filter of his "people". 

 

I wouldn't make any assumptions about Cam one way or another because he's proven a lot of people wrong on many occasions. 

[KendrickPanther]

Also in terms of Cam's future the huddle has always been a prisoner of the moment. We've been talking about how he is going to leave us for a better team since week 3 of his rookie season. Now he is in his 4th year but still not close to free agency. We have him under contract for 17 months and likely another 12 months after that. In that amount of time the personnel on this team will change drastically. Cam will change drastically. 

[top dawg]

I'm not singling out the OP but these are very common statements on the huddle. Everyone thinks they know what Cam is thinking. Really they are just trying to think for Cam, with their own bias and life experiences. 

 

There are things Cam knows that we will never know from a personnel and organizational standpoint. I can assure you the only person that knows what Cam is thinking is Cam himself. He's even starting to speak and act on his own rather than through the filter of his "people". 

 

I wouldn't make any assumptions about Cam one way or another because he's proven a lot of people wrong on many occasions. 

 

To be fair, I admitted that I don't know what Cam is thinking. I can only imagine like everyone else.  I pretty much do know this though: Cam wants to get paid!  He wants that security in knowing that he is appreciated for all the work that he has put in and what he means to the organization.  He has alluded to as much when speaking on the way he wants his contract structured.  If he feels that he is not being treated fairly on that level, then we will have a problem.

[mcdougal]

Gotta love the Huddle. Newton's rookie deal was very team friendly. During that time the Panthers did little to upgrade the talent around him--that talent being the worst offense in the NFL the season prior to his arrival.

 

Now the Huddle wants Newton to take another below market deal to surround Newton with talent.

 

If I am Newton or his agent I am literally laughing out of the Panther's Front Office. You had 4/5 years to put talent around me and the best you could do is the 8th pass catching rookie at the end of the first round.

 

You proceeded to dump resource after resource into the defense--and failed to upgrade an offense that was already mediocre last year. 

 

And now you want me to take a(nother) pay cut so you can give Hardy 13 million to sit on the bench while my Oline gets me killed weekly?

 

Kaepernick and Dalton could take team friendly deals. Their teams have surrounded them with elite talent. 

 

If I am Newton I want my money NOW. You already HAD me on a great deal and you chose to do nothing with it. Give me my money.

[Anybodyhome]

Calling him a roleplayer is based on what he does on the field and his impact on his team.

Roleplayers are fine. You just have to have a stacked team around them if your QB is one. Bengals do.

Cam isn't a roleplayer.....which is why Carolina can gamble more than Cincy in terms of putting a poo ton of garbage on the field.

Cincy could even dream of gambling with putting a weak team on the field around their QB and think they can win like we do......that is why Dalton and Cam aren't comparble

So, are you saying "role playing" QBs should be paid less than "play making" QBs?

Bottom line for me- wins and post season. And in that respect, you're right, there is no comparison.

And I'm not claiming one QB is "better" than the other. I'm simply stating fact when I say Dalton has enjoyed more success than Cam.

[Panthers8969]

Yeah you're reading too much into it.

Read the whole post and took nothing away from it