My biggest worry about Gettleman

[jtnc]

Prior to this year, would anyone have believed Jerry Richardson would sign off on cutting Steve Smith?

I think Richardson trusts Gettleman way more in the area of football decisions than he did Hurney. The Smith release isn't the only evidence of that, but it's the biggest.

Mind you, there's also been some chatter that Richardson isn't that high on Rivera, but as far as I know it's unsubstantiated.

Nope, Gettleman just signed Rivera and the rest of his staff to an extension, not only would the Panthers have to pay out the rest of their contracts, but also pay another coach and his staff. Which will be very costly.

[Cary Kollins]

I have no doubt Gettleman would fire any coach if he felt it was in the best interest of the franchise.

 

 

The Panthers were 12-4 in Gettleman's first year. There hasn't been a glaring reason to fire any coaching staff...though that could change in a matter of weeks.

[pantherclaw]

I don't believe for one moment that Gettleman's thought Bell and Chandler are part of this team's core.

I believe he wanted to see if they would develop since there wasn't any better options available that didn't hinder being able to continue building this teams core. Such as extending Cam, etc.

[Mr. Scot]

Nope, Gettleman just signed Rivera and the rest of his staff to an extension, not only would the Panthers have to pay out the rest of their contracts, but also pay another coach and his staff. Which will be very costly.

 

And as mentioned elsewhere, I know because we had the whole John Fox lame duck thing that people believe Richardson wouldn't sign off on firing a coach under contract, but I'm not so sure that's true.

 

For one, Dom Capers was fired only two years into a ten year extension.  If Richardson was willing to go with that, three years is nothing.

 

There's also the fact that John Fox's lame duck season was an absolute Mongolian Cluster %#@$, and I don't really think Richardson wants to go through something like that again.

 

All that said, I don't believe Rivera will be on the hot seat this coming offseason unless the team looks like an absolute, unmitigated dumpster fire by season's end.

 

And sadly, despite our current record and standing, I do think that could happen

[AU-panther]

I thought I read an article or post at one time that after the bad start last last year we starting to look at some other coaches. Hopefully someone remembers better then I do.

For better or worse 12-4 tends to buy a coaching staff some time. Personally I think if we would have gone 7-9 last year a change probably would have happened. New GMs seem to like to bring in their own people.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't believe for one moment that Gettleman's thought Bell and Chandler are part of this team's core.

I believe he wanted to see if they would develop since there wasn't any better options available that didn't hinder being able to continue building this teams core. Such as extending Cam, etc.

 

I'd agree he's had to go cheap in some areas (thanks again Marty) and I'm pretty sure rolling with Bell at left tackle wasn't exactly his favorite idea.

 

But he did ultimately sign off on it. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

I thought I read an article or post at one time that after the bad start last last year we starting to look at some other coaches. Hopefully someone remembers better then I do.

For better or worse 12-4 tends to buy a coaching staff some time. Personally I think if we would have gone 7-9 last year a change probably would have happened. New GMs seem to like to bring in their own people.

 

You remember right.  As I recall it was vehemently denied.

 

It's generally accepted though that most GMs keep a 'coach watch' list either on paper or in their heads, you know, "just in case".

 

[raleigh-panther]

The reality, after Fox, after Hurney..a lot of holes and a bad salary cap,situation has not helped

However, I do not see the Panthers going after and getting the best staff they could get and if the goal is to go young and grow the best teachers are needed..nor do I see coaches willing or accepting that they have to adjust to the talent on hand

And btw, the best teachers are not the ones we are comfortable with...the best teachers are the ones who challenge us to grow. Shula should have not been hired and retained for the OC position is my opinion and the fact we hired a passing coordinator to help hum should have been a huge red flag. He was hired when Rivera was expected to be a lame duck coach and no one else available and then kept supposedly for continuity for Newton...not the best decision

My concern with Gettleman is the constant use of salary cap to explain things like out of 7 o linemen only two being draft. Let that sink in a moment and tell me any other pro team in that shape on the oline...I simply cannot believe there were not serviceable vets with one to 2 years left in them to get us through rebuilding that aren't better then bell and chandler and some no names from Canada as starters

Same goes for that abysmal secondary...roman Harper ..seriously...a guy whose physical skills combined with his lack of desire to play...why him...was that really the best the panthers could do?

I don't know what to think

All pro teams go through adversity. The panthers seem more capable then others of creating and sustaining their own.

I think the reality too is that they got lucky and overachieved last year and the jig is up this year along with Gettleman gambling on the dine that isn't thanks to the stupid, selfishness of Hardy and Alexander.

[Montsta]

I hope if anything he realizes that sometimes you are putting lipstick on a pig. Meaning the coach can only do so much with the garbage he's been handed and that constantly turning over coaches to try and find some coaching savior (see Raiders) is a recipe for disaster.

[top dawg]

G-man is ruthless. It's all about the bottom line which is performing.

 

As for the office, I think that he is even more attuned to what's going on, and he is not going to be as quick to ax someone if he is the one that's ultimately making the call.  Unlike the field which the world can see, we don't exactly know what's going on in the office.  It could be that Rivera and other coaches just can't do miracles with the talent that G-man was adamant about getting.  In that case, how can he expect for someone else to be the fall guy?  Moreover, when you lose basically three Pro-Bowl level talents like Gross, Hardy, and Smitty (yes, Smitty), any fool should look for some type of decline.  

 

Bottom line: If someone just basically is under performing with the tools and or talent that they've been given, I think that G-man will fire them without much mercy. It's a business.

[Marguide]

The question really comes down to whether or not Gettleman would pull the trigger on Rivera should the team perform poorly for the balance of the year.

 

GM's normally allow the HC the right to hire and fire their own staff. Doing otherwise undercuts a HC's authority. So let's say Gettleman didn't like Matsko for example, but Ron did. If Gettleman pushed the issue, that would forever damage his relationship with Ron and would probably ultimately lead to him leaving, either voluntarily or otherwise.

 

There are others in the organization, scouts and some front office people, that he could remove at will with no repercussions. Coaches and coordinators are a different thing altogether.

[Mr. Scot]

I hope if anything he realizes that sometimes you are putting lipstick on a pig. Meaning the coach can only do so much with the garbage he's been handed and that constantly turning over coaches to try and find some coaching savior (see Raiders) is a recipe for disaster.

 

Here's the question though...

 

Which Rivera is the real Rivera:  The guy who went 12-4 last year or the guy who's coached to mediocre records every other season?

 

[Mr. Scot]

The question really comes down to whether or not Gettleman would pull the trigger on Rivera should the team perform poorly for the balance of the year.

 

GM's normally allow the HC the right to hire and fire their own staff. Doing otherwise undercuts a HC's authority. So let's say Gettleman didn't like Matsko for example, but Ron did. If Gettleman pushed the issue, that would forever damage his relationship with Ron and would probably ultimately lead to him leaving, either voluntarily or otherwise.

 

There are others in the organization, scouts and some front office people, that he could remove at will with no repercussions. Coaches and coordinators are a different thing altogether.

 

Valid.

[Carl Spackler]

Vince Lombardi couldn't go 12-4 with this offensive line and secondary.