The Traditional QB Still Rules the League

[Matthias]

So is Cam primarily so we should be good to go

 

Yeah he can be that, but I just hate all the athletic talk around him.  Again, I'm tired of things like the read option play, all these gimmick type stuff that mostly athletic QBs use.  I don't know.  I'm going to bed :-).

[Millzy7]

Didn't Russell win the sb last yr? Isn't luck monks just like cam? So what makes him traditional?

[Millzy7]

*mobile

[CelibatePimp]

We'll see.  It's definitely clear we don't have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball, as well as the defensive side in many areas.  My thing is to retain Cam long term, we will have to dump a lot of money into that one position.  How then are we going to build up the team with little money?  Can Cam do it by himself?  I don't know.  I'm also not sold we will ever get him the help he needs.

 

I'll wait and see how the rest of the season go heehee.

 

I get your point but trust me, getting a decent QB is not easy much more a good one like Cam. There are not enough QBs to go around in the league.

[Mr. Scot]

So is Cam primarily so we should be good to go

 

Pretty much.

 

The thread is based on the notion that Newton isn't a "traditional QB", which is a false premise.  Newton is a passing quarterback who's also an effective runner, something which is hardly unprecedented.  

 

You can go all the way back to Fran Tarkenton's day and find dual threat quarterbacks.  People who act as if that's something new either don't know their football history or are Michael Vick.

 

By the definition in the OP, I would understand a 'non-traditional quarterback' as one that's primarily a runner and isn't a good passer.  And yes, it's correct that passing quarterbacks still rule the league and 'non-traditional' QBs aren't effective.

 

The mistake is defining Newton as a non-traditional quarterback.

 

 

 

[pantherking15]

The pocket presence comes and goes.  Cam is actually great when he throws the ball within 3 steps into his drop back.  Yet when he holds onto the ball, his feet tends to stay planted to the ground and only moves when he feels someone touches him.  Though like I said, he has the ability to dissect defenses with his arm and so on, but it's always said his greatest quality is being athletic.  Again, he's yet to throw for over 300 yards in a long while.  I know these numbers seem irrelevant, but that is a very long stretch of games for not throwing for that much.  It tells me running is an intricate part of his game, and of course we have design runs for him.  I don't have a lot of confidence in this formula.  It's good for winning some games, but not for winning championships.  Unless you have a perfect team around you. 

 

Developing good pocket presence takes a lot of pocket passing experience in a pro style offense. It's not some magical trait that QBs are born with. Andrew Luck had 4 years of grooming under Harbaugh in Stanford's pro-style system to develop his pocket presence. In 2011 and 2012, we ran a read option based offense, so Cam has only had 1.5 years of this type of experience. Plus, Cam only had ONE year of college experience in a read option offense. It's kind of expected that Cam's pocket presence is going to be inconsistent. Besides, ALL young QBs minus Luck have shown inconsistent pocket presence.

 

Add in the fact that we've consistently struggled offensively against 3-4 defenses the last 2 years or so along with the fact that our O-line is a bottom 3 unit in the NFL.

 

Cam probably needs the rest of this year plus the 2015 season for experience before he's able to show consistent pocket presence.For right now, ideally, Cam needs to be a in a run first offense with 30-35 passing plays a game.

 

Give Cam a top 16 O-line, a speedy TY Hilton-type WR, and a young dynamic playmaking RB (to set up the play-action), and watch Cam's pocket presence get a whole lot better and more consistent.

[Brooklyn Bully]

It don't get no better than Mr Newton 

 

Wat?

 

I love me some Cam, but he'll never be the best QB in the league. NO matter how we use him.

[Growl]

I knew this was going to be another stupid Matthias thread before I even saw the username.

[fieryprophet]

Matthias, GTFO.

[Moose87Banks]

Stupidest thread of the year award right here!!

[TheMaulClaw]

Developing good pocket presence takes a lot of pocket passing experience in a pro style offense. It's not some magical trait that QBs are born with. Andrew Luck had 4 years of grooming under Harbaugh in Stanford's pro-style system to develop his pocket presence. In 2011 and 2012, we ran a read option based offense, so Cam has only had 1.5 years of this type of experience. Plus, Cam only had ONE year of college experience in a read option offense. It's kind of expected that Cam's pocket presence is going to be inconsistent. Besides, ALL young QBs minus Luck have shown inconsistent pocket presence.

 

Add in the fact that we've consistently struggled offensively against 3-4 defenses the last 2 years or so along with the fact that our O-line is a bottom 3 unit in the NFL.

 

Cam probably needs the rest of this year plus the 2015 season for experience before he's able to show consistent pocket presence.For right now, ideally, Cam needs to be a in a run first offense with 30-35 passing plays a game.

 

Give Cam a top 16 O-line, a speedy TY Hilton-type WR, and a young dynamic playmaking RB (to set up the play-action), and watch Cam's pocket presence get a whole lot better and more consistent.

 

Won't be able to afford that if we're paying Cam 25mill a year.  That's my only concern.  How do we keep Cam while unilaterally improving our team through not only the draft but FA.  If we resign Cam to that mega deal, we'll be dealing with one year deal players for the next 5 years.

 

[jcluther34]

This is next level trolling

[jcluther34]

TC went all the way around the world just to say "We need a white QB"

[emhoward]

So we have Peyton Manning, perhaps the best QB ever, Aaron Rogers, perhaps the best QB currently, and Andrew Luck, perhaps the best QB of the future, and because Cam may or may not reach that level of play we should trade him?

People seem to have no idea how hard it is to hit on a quarterback. We could trade Cam for all these picks and end up drafting the next Tim Couch at quarterback, and then what?

I hope and believe that Cam will end up being a top five quarterback in the league, but if he doesn't we can still win, and win consistently.