The Traditional QB Still Rules the League

[CelibatePimp]

Yes, but in the same breath he will do a 360 in the pocket, like today.  There's no question our O-line is bad, but that's no excuse.  The Patriots O-line right now isn't necessarily the top in the league.  It's very average.  The Packers also have an average O-line.  I will say Cam doesn't have any speed at the receiver position, but I wonder if he was known more for his passing, would we be having a little more success in spite of all our offensive woes.  Again, look at Brady.  He has no real receivers outside his tight end, and yet his team is competing every year.  It's arguable if the Packers didn't have Aaron Rodgers, would they be nothing but an average team with their receivers?  Jordy Nelson can ball, but I think Rodgers make them look better than they actually are.

 

I'm not yet convinced Cam can do what these other guys are doing.  I should be able to see that potential in Cam even with this poorest offense, but I just can't see a consistent year in and year out competitor.  That is having the skills to light teams up consistently with his arm.  He's yet to throw for over 300 yards in a long while.  We can't ignore what Flacco is doing with Smitty.  Things like that.  Plus, I'm not confident in our ability to put the right coaching around Cam to utilize his ability. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000409665/Week-6-Cam-Newton-highlights

 

I mean look at most of his throws from last game. They were from the pocket and on some of them, he was basically had no room in there, that first down throw to Avant. So I don't see this pocket problem you complain about.

[teeray]

I've watched the Broncos, Patriots, Colts, etc continue to compete at the top of the league year in and year out.  They have franchise QBs, but what is special about them is their best talent is picking apart defenses with their arm.  Sitting back, manipulating DBs, and picking them apart.  They also know how to move within the pocket, as to avoid good pass rushers.  My biggest fear with Cam is that he will never fully learn how to do this.  That he either leans more toward his athletic side, or is pressured by everyone (media and fans alike) to be the QB who throws for 200 and run for 100.  I'm tired of this crap because it is the traditional pocket passer that competes year in and year out.  Vick had his moments, but his team never competed every year.

 

I'm being real.  I love Cam as much as anyone else.  I also know he can throw the ball.  Yet I don't think he will ever become a franchise pocket passer.  Have yall seen the 360 he did today in the pocket, running slam into a defender for the team's first sack?  I just don't know if I want to invest 160 million into one guy, if this is what I should expect for the rest of his career.  In any case, I want a traditional guy back there.  The primarily athletic QB still hasn't come in and changed the game just yet.  I'm open to the idea of trading Cam at the end of the season for a bunch of picks.

 

Just pointing out that the three teams you mentioned... those QBs have 1 Super Bowl win in the last decade

[KillerKat]

Of all the fug ups on this team, QB is the last position that needs questioning. Unless you want to talk about backup QB of the future.

[KillerKat]

Oh and btw, those QBs usually have a OL that is at least decent. We can't even give Cam an adequate line.

[WhoAmI?]

Cam has been leaps and bounds better as a pocket passer this season. The Broncos, Patriots, and Colts all have better offensive personnel than us. More importantly they all have better offensive coordinators.

 

Some of the play calling and game management today was sad. Qb sneak on a 4th and long 1? How about let Cam pick a lane to run in rather than take what the offensive line gets him.

 

Not to mention a flea flicker to your slowest WR.

 

[Matthias]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000409665/Week-6-Cam-Newton-highlights

 

I mean look at most of his throws from last game. They were from the pocket and on some of them, he was basically had no room in there, that first down throw to Avant. So I don't see this pocket problem you complain about.

 

The pocket presence comes and goes.  Cam is actually great when he throws the ball within 3 steps into his drop back.  Yet when he holds onto the ball, his feet tends to stay planted to the ground and only moves when he feels someone touches him.  Though like I said, he has the ability to dissect defenses with his arm and so on, but it's always said his greatest quality is being athletic.  Again, he's yet to throw for over 300 yards in a long while.  I know these numbers seem irrelevant, but that is a very long stretch of games for not throwing for that much.  It tells me running is an intricate part of his game, and of course we have design runs for him.  I don't have a lot of confidence in this formula.  It's good for winning some games, but not for winning championships.  Unless you have a perfect team around you. 

[TheRed]

OP just needs to go to bed.

[Matthias]

Just pointing out that the three teams you mentioned... those QBs have 1 Super Bowl win in the last decade

 

Yes, and they're pocket passers primarily.

[CelibatePimp]

The pocket presence comes and goes.  Cam is actually great when he throws the ball within 3 steps into his drop back.  Yet when he holds onto the ball, his feet tends to stay planted to the ground and only moves when he feels someone touches him.  Though like I said, he has the ability to dissect defenses with his arm and so on, but it's always said his greatest quality is being athletic.  Again, he's yet to throw for over 300 yards in a long while.  I know these numbers seem irrelevant, but that is a very long stretch of games for not throwing for that much.  It tells me running is an intricate part of his game, and of course we have design runs for him.  I don't have a lot of confidence in this formula.  It's good for winning some games, but not for winning championships.  Unless you have a perfect team around you. 

 

It definitely goes away when there are linemen in his face which I think happens to the best of them. I mean Brady and Manning crumble into a ball to avoid being hit when the pocket collapses. If they could run out of there, I am sure they would.

 

The thing is that, when Cam has been asked to throw to win us a game, he has shown he can do it. Remember those clutch throws last season against the Saints and the Dolphins? The problem is not Cam. Its the coaching.

 

[WhoAmI?]

This is Cam Derangement Syndrome. This is not an original idea worthy of a thread. Without Cam, we would be near the Raiders and Jaguars right now. There are 52 other men on the roster, a head coach, a GM, I'd argue every last one of them should be getting more criticism than Cam except maybe JJ Jansen.

I hope every last one of you talking poo about Cam tonight has a bad Monday tomorrow. I hope your alarm clock doesn't go off. I hope you get stuck in traffic. I hope your shitty boss yells at you and I hope customers complain that you're being too slow with their fries. Please get a life.

 

Really? All that just because somebody has a different opinion than you?

[teeray]

Yes, and they're pocket passers primarily.

 

So is Cam primarily so we should be good to go

[CelibatePimp]

OP just needs to go to bed.

 

Are you going to call me out for supporting Cam in this thread or that will not fit your "the whole world hates Cam" narrative?

 

[Matthias]

It definitely goes away when there are linemen in his face which I think happens to the best of them. I mean Brady and Manning crumble into a ball to avoid being hit when the pocket collapses. If they could run out of there, I am sure they would.

 

The thing is that, when Cam has been asked to throw to win us a game, he has shown he can do it. Remember those clutch throws last season against the Saints and the Dolphins? The problem is not Cam. Its the coaching.

 

 

We'll see.  It's definitely clear we don't have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball, as well as the defensive side in many areas.  My thing is to retain Cam long term, we will have to dump a lot of money into that one position.  How then are we going to build up the team with little money?  Can Cam do it by himself?  I don't know.  I'm also not sold we will ever get him the help he needs.

 

I'll wait and see how the rest of the season go heehee.

[teeray]

Another thing.  A lot of the pocket passers you are talking about, are guy 30-40 years old.  They have seen every defense there is to see.   Experience makes everything easier.

 

Cam is still 25 years old and learning.  Let's see where he is 5 years from now