the official "Dave Gettleman fuging sucks" thread

[R0CKnR0LLA]

A little perspective, when DG took over these were the quality long term solutions we had on the roster.

 

Defense: CJ, Kuechly, Davis

Offense: Cam, Kalil, Olsen

 

Everyone else sucked and/or would be off the roster within a year. So our needs:

 

DT (nose tackle)

DT (undertackle)

OLB

DE

CB1

CB2

Nickelback

Strong Safety

Free Safety

Left Tackle

Right Tackle

Left Guard

Right Guard

#2 Tight End

WR1

WR2

WR3

RB1

RB2

Kick returner

Punt returner

 

 

Now you have no cap space and 11 draft picks (only 5 picks in the first 3 rounds), fix all that, GO

[Pimpdaddy]

Harper signing was the worst

It's getting ruff for g man

 

G didn't have much choice...Harper looks like ***** Steven Hawking ....

[doghead28]

Hurney screwed the cap, no denying that. I just don't think that can be a fix all excuse for Dave. It's his job to fix it while fielding a competitive team. Not easy to do, but it is his job. I think the way he deals with players rubs them the wrong way, and he under values guys that he doesn't realize he needs.

 

If that is true that could be a problem. While it is important to take an all buisness approach, the GM still needs to know how to identify the value in guys and make them feel wanted on this team.

[*FreeFua*]

We're 3-3-1 leading our division with a complete patchwork team other then 5 players...Cam, KB, Luke, CJ, and TD. We've had the worst cap issues in the league the past two seasons. Yet still, despite our lack of talent/cap space and our reliance on one year rental players have gone 15-7 over that time.

Yeah fire everyone.

Did I say fire Gettleman? No I didn't but he isn't off the hook for blaming either.

Did anyone have a gun to his head when he signed Harper and Decoud to 2 year deals?

Did someone else tell him not to address the OL?

Was it Rivera handing in the draft card picking Kony, knowing he wouldn't have much of an impact for a few years over a guy like Allen Robinson who could've made an immediate impact in our passing game?

So much of the blame is deflected off of DG by so many of you. He's responsible for his fair share of this mess as well.

[Carl Spackler]

I'd still defend Gettleman too, if I didn't watch anything football-related from March to now. I don't get how he still has so many dickriders. His greatest contribution has been hitting on first round picks. Hell, Hurney did that too. Hurney overpaid everyone. Gettleman just lets everyone walk and all I see is 

 

"Hawgmawlies"

 

"Gettlemagic"

 

[panthers34]

What is there to complain about? He has no money to spend yet and sorry he didn't know hardy wouldnt be able to play. The only thing you can question is releasing of Smitty. The oline is playing fine. Its not easy to pass protect when you dont establish the run. the offensive play call is the problem. Anyways we are in first place and the team will only get better as Cam and the team gets healthier  

[FattyFatFat]

Yeah, but did u see that sweet offsides penalty? What speed!

[TheMaulClaw]

Did I say fire Gettleman? No I didn't but he isn't off the hook for blaming either.

Did anyone have a gun to his head when he signed Harper and Decoud to 2 year deals?

Did someone else tell him not to address the OL?

Was it Rivera handing in the draft card picking Kony, knowing he wouldn't have much of an impact for a few years over a guy like Allen Robinson who could've made an immediate impact in our passing game?

So much of the blame is deflected off of DG by so many of you. He's responsible for his fair share of this mess as well.

 

Drafting a DE in the 2nd round was such a bad pick considering what's happened with Hardy right?  Ealy still has a chance to be a good player, but he wasn't supposed to be a starter this year.  He was supposed to be a starter next season.  From what I can tell KB, Klein, Star, and KK were all solid choices.  If you are going to point out all his bad draft picks at least give the guy credit for his good ones. 

 

He tried to address the OL through the draft.  Obviously we had greater needs this past off season, namely at the WR position.  Are you suggesting that we should have passed on KB for a T that quite honestly wouldn't have improved our line much more than it is today?  We did engage in talks with Collins, but the money wasn't there.  It's hard for a team to find diamonds in the rough at a cheap price at every position on the field.

 

It's not like DG has had the resources the bring in the players he wants.  Otherwise we'd have Deshaun Jackson, Hakeem Nicks, and James Jones as our wr's. 

 

There is a reason Hurney got fired.  He got fired not because the Panthers had a bad season, but because he set us up for failure for a myriad of seasons in the future.

 

I'm not sitting here and saying DG is perfect, but we're better then we were two years ago, and we'll only get better.

[*FreeFua*]

Drafting a DE in the 2nd round was such a bad pick considering what's happened with Hardy right? Ealy still has a chance to be a good player, but he wasn't supposed to be a starter this year. He was supposed to be a starter next season. From what I can tell KB, Klein, Star, and KK were all solid choices. If you are going to point out all his bad draft picks at least give the guy credit for his good ones.

He tried to address the OL through the draft. Obviously we had greater needs this past off season, namely at the WR position. Are you suggesting that we should have passed on KB for a T that quite honestly wouldn't have improved our line much more than it is today? We did engage in talks with Collins, but the money wasn't there. It's hard for a team to find diamonds in the rough at a cheap price at every position on the field.

It's not like DG has had the resources the bring in the players he wants. Otherwise we'd have Deshaun Jackson, Hakeem Nicks, and James Jones as our wr's.

There is a reason Hurney got fired. He got fired not because the Panthers had a bad season, but because he set us up for failure for a myriad of seasons in the future.

I'm not sitting here and saying DG is perfect, but we're better then we were two years ago, and we'll only get better.

Yeah, I don't think we're too far off on this. I was under the impression you thought DG was free of all blame and you thought I wanted DG fired and that's not the case.

I think Voth said earlier that we actually never talked to Collins and that got blown out of proportion.

And I always wanted KB, even in the draft thread I said I wanted him. But I always wanted another WR in this draft that was filled with them.

[AU-panther]

Serious question. What has Gentleman actually gotten right to this point?

 

What has impressed me the most about Gettleman isn't what he has done,  its what he hasn't.  He hasn't mortgaged our future for short term success.  He isn't one of those GMs always looking to make a "splash".  Those teams tend to do poorly.

 

Gettleman is responsible for putting players on this team that give this team it's best chance at winning. Can't say he's done that.

 

I would modify that somewhat.  Gettleman is responsible for building a team that has the ability to have sustained success over an extended period of time. 

 

People around here seem to forgot how bad of a situation he walked into.  I don't really think a lot of people understand how bad of a situation the cap was in.  Its one thing to have players making too much its another to have contracts that you can't get out from.  Honestly I think he would have cut more players if was financially feasible.

 

Even if you are one of those who don't understand or believe in a cap the actual product on the field was terrible.  If I remember correctly we hadn't had a winning season in 4 years. 

 

the problem is he is not rebuilding so your premise is flawed.

 

He is rebuilding.  We just happened to go 12-4 in the middle of it and it distorted a lot of people reality of where this franchise was at. 

 

Look at the moves he has made.  Every offseason he has got rid of a few bad contracts.  All of his additions have been cheap short term acquisitions. 

 

If you were to take a snapshot of the top 10 salaries on the roster when he arrived and compare them to 2016 I would bet they will be very different.  That is a rebuild. 

 

Do I think he is one of the best GMs in the league?  Its too early to tell. 

We have only had 2 drafts?  So far I would say the drafts are above average, but it is still early to say for sure.

We've seen him cull bad contracts.

We've seen him fill holes with cheap players.  Some have worked.  Some have not.  That is why they were cheap to start with.

We have yet to see how he handles paying the expensive players.  The next 2-3 years will tell us that.

 

Personally I like his approach so far, but in reality only time will tell.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Huddlers forget who we lost that was most important to the secondary. The loss of Captian Munnerlyn is a big hole. Having a guy like Godfrey to replace him is a joke. Captian was a great blitzer and is a phisical guy off the line.

Losing Hardy was not expected. Hardy is important and i dont think anyone thought Star would have a sophmore slump either. I think both are related.

The only thing i could blame Gettles on in real time is signing R Harper. I have yet to see any real reason we signed him unless this was another swing at Smitty.

[amcoolio]

Like it or not Gettleman isn't going anywhere. Richardson is not going through another GM change at his age. And like AU-Panther said, Gettleman isn't mortgaging our future to marginally improve now. We just have to wait it out the next season and a half.

[mc52beast]

Yeah, pretty clear this board is gonna be overrun by stupidity for a while.

Time to find other ways to pass the day.

 

 

                      

[ThinkAboutIt]

He ignored the OL after a 12-4 season and franchise LT retiring....LG also gave it up so who is ignorant?

 

You, since that had nothing to do with my post or the one I replied to.