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[Davidson Deac II]

Steve Smith will always be one of my favorite Panthers, but there's many on here crediting Cam with spreading the ball around alot more this year than in years past.

 

It might seem that way because we are throwing the ball more, but I am not sure its reality.  Olsen got about 25% of the receptions last year, with Steve Smith getting about 22%.  So far this year, its been Olsen at around 24% and Benjamin around 23%. Don't feel like looking at the rest of them, but nearly 50% of our receptions come from 2 guys.  And there is nothing wrong with that. 

 

But I do feel that overall, we have a better receiving group this year, than last.  And Cam has done great, especially considering how little time he got with Avant, Cotchery and KB. 

 

[Lumps]

If you think Cam is better than Luck and claim 'it's not even close', you're a fuging retard.

I like the list and I would take Luck ahead of Cam at this point. If I considered Cam's rushing threat I might reconsider, might. But we're talking future investment here and not only are Cam's legs not going to last no QB should be the team's leading rusher.

Despite the highlights fanboy huddlers want it's not a good thing to have Cam play like he did against the Bengals. You have to have RB who can do that.

[Growl]

The title of "better QB" I've come to feel is a media invention. From my perspective, QBs fall into small tiers, and the players within a tier tend to jockey who performs better on a week to week basis. Manning and Brady did it for years. Cam and Luck do it now. As long as we have QB who is elite and in that great tier-and we do- any nonsense about whose "better" is nothing but media perception.

[TonyN]

You are never going to get anything resembling intellectual honesty from some members of this forum.

 

You know Andy Dalton, right? He's the guy who only puts up decent numbers because he is throwing to A.J. Green. This same Dalton went out on Sunday without his top two wideouts, including Green, without his best tight end, Tyler Eifert and threw for 323 yards against the Panthers. 

 

He had 348 yards of total offense on 47 plays. Meanwhile, Newton had 391 yards of offense on 63 plays.

 

A strong argument could be made that Dalton was every bit as good on Sunday as was Newton---without his best weapons.

 

And here's the bottom line: Dalton's not a great quarterback. He is decent, serviceable, not great. Dalton and Newton's career numbers are shockingly close.

 

And yet, Newton's performance on Sunday, according to certain Huddle members, was "transcendental", "one for the ages" and Newton is suddenly "the best QB in the NFL, hands down". 

 

Meanwhile Newton's passer rating is 17th in the NFL and his completion percentage is 23rd in the NFL...almost identical to his numbers last year. 

 

Moving forward, other teams are not going to completly disregard the zone read for an entire half like the Bengals did on Sunday. Their defense performance was mystifying

[nickzz]

Steve Smith will always be one of my favorite Panthers, but there's many on here crediting Cam with spreading the ball around alot more this year than in years past. Alot of that has to do with Smitty and not so much Cam imo. I think Cam also feels comfortable taking full control of this offense now as well. Many times last year we saw Newton lock onto Smith and many would blame Cam. I see now releasing Smitty has actually been alot more beneficial to Cam than the other way around. I just wish DG would've drafted another WR in the draft to give Cam some help.

Cam has proved for the last 3 seasons that he can carry a team on his back. As Cam's ankle gets stronger he'll open alot more eyes. It's amazing we still have some doubters when it comes to Cam, but I can't wait to sit back and watch this kid get even better. Pretty crazy to think he hasn't even hit his ceiling yet.

 

not true

 

see: last year

 

[nickzz]

 

You are never going to get anything resembling intellectual honesty from some members of this forum.

 

You know Andy Dalton, right? He's the guy who only puts up decent numbers because he is throwing to A.J. Green. This same Dalton went out on Sunday without his top two wideouts, including Green, without his best tight end, Tyler Eifert and threw for 323 yards against the Panthers. 

 

He had 348 yards of total offense on 47 plays. Meanwhile, Newton had 391 yards of offense on 63 plays.

 

A strong argument could be made that Dalton was every bit as good on Sunday as was Newton---without his best weapons.

 

And here's the bottom line: Dalton's not a great quarterback. He is decent, serviceable, not great. Dalton and Newton's career numbers are shockingly close.

 

And yet, Newton's performance on Sunday, according to certain Huddle members, was "transcendental", "one for the ages" and Newton is suddenly "the best QB in the NFL, hands down". 

 

Meanwhile Newton's passer rating is 17th in the NFL and his completion percentage is 23rd in the NFL...almost identical to his numbers last year. 

 

Moving forward, other teams are not going to completly disregard the zone read for an entire half like the Bengals did on Sunday. Their defense performance was mystifying

 

 

you included, apparently

[Growl]

If you think Cam is better than Luck and claim 'it's not even close', you're a fuging retard.

I like the list and I would take Luck ahead of Cam at this point. If I considered Cam's rushing threat I might reconsider, might. But we're talking future investment here and not only are Cam's legs not going to last no QB should be the team's leading rusher.

Despite the highlights fanboy huddlers want it's not a good thing to have Cam play like he did against the Bengals. You have to have RB who can do that.

lol this is a terrible post. throwing out what a QB is capable of accomplishing on the ground is akin to throwing out what a RB is capable of doing catching the ball.

here's a PSA for you: The way your grandpappy's Steelers played QB isnt the standard for which a player is judged. It's the here and now and you recycling an outdated ideology on the way "it SHOULD BE GOSH DARNET!" isnt going to change that.

[Luck's neckbeard]

John Elway was a running QB.... & he was running around & winning back to back SB's at nearly 40 years old.

It's a complete garbage & straw man excuse to pick Luck over Cam because Cam won't last as long because he runs. Especially considering Luck is the one with the bad knees.

[t96]

You are never going to get anything resembling intellectual honesty from some members of this forum.

You know Andy Dalton, right? He's the guy who only puts up decent numbers because he is throwing to A.J. Green. This same Dalton went out on Sunday without his top two wideouts, including Green, without his best tight end, Tyler Eifert and threw for 323 yards against the Panthers.

He had 348 yards of total offense on 47 plays. Meanwhile, Newton had 391 yards of offense on 63 plays.

A strong argument could be made that Dalton was every bit as good on Sunday as was Newton---without his best weapons.

And here's the bottom line: Dalton's not a great quarterback. He is decent, serviceable, not great. Dalton and Newton's career numbers are shockingly close.

And yet, Newton's performance on Sunday, according to certain Huddle members, was "transcendental", "one for the ages" and Newton is suddenly "the best QB in the NFL, hands down".

Meanwhile Newton's passer rating is 17th in the NFL and his completion percentage is 23rd in the NFL...almost identical to his numbers last year.

Moving forward, other teams are not going to completly disregard the zone read for an entire half like the Bengals did on Sunday. Their defense performance was mystifying

Dalton's playing at home against the worst secondary in the league and a front 7 that is a shell of its former self and merely decent at this point. Cam's playing away against probably the best defense in the AFC. Dalton has Gio and a run game and Sanu is no scrub. Cam had no running game watsoever so the defense was always playing for him not our RBs. And Dalton was not as good as Cam with all that in his favor... Dalton threw 2 picks

[The Huddler]

Russell Wilson is over hyped as hell. Makes me sick

[CelibatePimp]

 

You are never going to get anything resembling intellectual honesty from some members of this forum.

 

You know Andy Dalton, right? He's the guy who only puts up decent numbers because he is throwing to A.J. Green. This same Dalton went out on Sunday without his top two wideouts, including Green, without his best tight end, Tyler Eifert and threw for 323 yards against the Panthers. 

 

He had 348 yards of total offense on 47 plays. Meanwhile, Newton had 391 yards of offense on 63 plays.

 

A strong argument could be made that Dalton was every bit as good on Sunday as was Newton---without his best weapons.

 

And here's the bottom line: Dalton's not a great quarterback. He is decent, serviceable, not great. Dalton and Newton's career numbers are shockingly close.

 

And yet, Newton's performance on Sunday, according to certain Huddle members, was "transcendental", "one for the ages" and Newton is suddenly "the best QB in the NFL, hands down". 

 

Meanwhile Newton's passer rating is 17th in the NFL and his completion percentage is 23rd in the NFL...almost identical to his numbers last year. 

 

Moving forward, other teams are not going to completly disregard the zone read for an entire half like the Bengals did on Sunday. Their defense performance was mystifying

 

 

Well Cam was playing away from home, at a place where opponents almost never win. Dalton on the other hand was playing at home against a weak Panther's secondary. Cason alone gave up 92yds.

 

This is where I say the eye test comes in. Stats alone mean nothing.

[The Huddler]

dude makes his living out of the pocket, off the playaction pass, with what used to be a top defense. Noticehow that defense isnt what it used to be, and here comes the loses. Russell was tasked to actually lead his team down the feild and win a game for once in his life. Threw a dumb pass to a RB for like 5 yards with only seconds left, and then throws an aweful pick.

[Luck's neckbeard]

Russell Wilson is over hyped as hell. Makes me sick

He's a terrible pocket passer. He can run & make BS pass after BS pass on the run, though. Lol

[Growl]

You are never going to get anything resembling intellectual honesty from some members of this forum.

You know Andy Dalton, right? He's the guy who only puts up decent numbers because he is throwing to A.J. Green. This same Dalton went out on Sunday without his top two wideouts, including Green, without his best tight end, Tyler Eifert and threw for 323 yards against the Panthers.

He had 348 yards of total offense on 47 plays. Meanwhile, Newton had 391 yards of offense on 63 plays.

A strong argument could be made that Dalton was every bit as good on Sunday as was Newton---without his best weapons.

And here's the bottom line: Dalton's not a great quarterback. He is decent, serviceable, not great. Dalton and Newton's career numbers are shockingly close.

And yet, Newton's performance on Sunday, according to certain Huddle members, was "transcendental", "one for the ages" and Newton is suddenly "the best QB in the NFL, hands down".

Meanwhile Newton's passer rating is 17th in the NFL and his completion percentage is 23rd in the NFL...almost identical to his numbers last year.

Moving forward, other teams are not going to completly disregard the zone read for an entire half like the Bengals did on Sunday. Their defense performance was mystifying

in fairness it's typically tough to get anything resembling intellect itself from your posts.