I know management don't pay me for this, but...

[Camp Fodder]

Lol I was just about to make a post on godfrey

This is what Newton posted

Wild card: Now we know why rookie Bene' Benwikere won the starting nickel corner job over veteran Charles Godfrey. With Benwikere (ankle) out, Godfrey struggled to contain. In the first half alone, he gave up catches of 15, 10, 6 and 7 yards, all on third-down conversions. At the start of the second half, Godfrey was called for pass interference on third-and-6. Just not a good day for the former safety, who moved to corner during the offseason.

he is very bad

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

While we are at it…Harper was trash today as well. Terrible play on the long Gio TD run and made no effort to bring down Pac Man when he had a shot at him on the kick return. Stood there a couple yards away, slowed down, stared at him, then got juked. 

[Udogg]

I'm usually a Godfrey defender and a lot of stuff he gets blamed for wasn't even his fault.  However today in man situations it's obvious he doesn't have the speed/coverage ability to play the position. It was the same in training camp and thats why Bene was the starter.   Physically Godfrey can't do it, and I don't know why we put him in position to do it.

 

 

[KendrickPanther]

When we drafted KK the knock on him was he took too many plays off. His response: "I was playing too many snaps". So there is that.

[Kuhndog94]

Yeah Cotchery's drop cost us a win more than anything. I like him but gotta be honest.

If only we had some sort of go-up-and-get it, fight-in-the-air receiver who had the fire to refuse to not get that ball. But I'm not sure where you could find a player like that

I'm 100% sure he dropped a few TD passes last year.

[Frizzy350]

I'm not as concerned with who's starting as I am with who is seeing more snaps.

 

KK is without a doubt our best DL right now.  I understand he is isn't starting and isn't necessarily seeing the amount of snaps we think he should.  It was highly noted coming out of college that his biggest weakness was getting tired and seeing an excessive snap count (which resulted in the common statement of taking plays off).  He isn't a JJ Watt, Jared Allen, Peppers or Hardy, KK could very well have issues of "energy management" or is simply not able to achieve incredible levels of conditioning naturally.  If he is a guy that simply just goes all-out on every snap he is in on despite his body's ability to properly respond, then it makes it important to conserve his "tank" on a situational basis.

 

I like the fact that Norman has seemed to have gotten his head out of his ass.  He's talented and has the best ball skills on the team.  Bene needs to come back ASAP, he is a marked improvement over Munnerlyn who was quite effective as a nickel.  Melvin has some good attributes in terms of athletic ability and I like him as a back-up and role player, his pure coverage skills borderline acceptable.  Cason exhibits many of the same attributes of Melvin, but the fundamental difference is turnover generation.  Secondary players with a knack for forcing fumbles is a hugely underestimated aspect.  I understand he isn't playing bullet-proof ball but he's making enough critical plays every game to make a difference.  Godfrey is done.  I'd rather have him playing safety at this point.  Putting a guy like him coming off an achilles injury at NICKLEBACK is a horrible decision (and I believe intentional).  You are putting a safety into a position who's entire job is to defend (generally) the craftiest, quickest and most difficult man to wrap up on the opposing offense (slot receivers), this is the exact opposite of everything we've tried to accomplish with him as a safety.  Honestly I don't even blame the secondary for our game, we played soft coverage the entire game.  I love that we have corners who are able to be physical, but if you want the benefits of those types of guys you need to put them in a position to be physical.

 

Ed Dickson has done nothing this year.  Get Williams involved, especially in the passing game.  With Fozzy and Reaves both proving to be quality guys at picking up the blitz, we can spare having a tight end to go out and make plays downfield.  We can always let Olsen stay back and block if needed and would be unexpected.

 

With the way our defense has played and our inability to run the ball, we should be handing this offense over to Cam.  Get 4 receivers on the field often and spread them out.  Avant has been more reliable in critical situations and has more savvy than Cotchery.  Avant is not athletically gifted at an NFL level in any way, yet he makes much more of his opportunities than Cotch (especially in the screen game, which is most surprising).  I'm not in favor of benching Cotch, but I think Bersin and Brown need to start getting some snaps over him.  Brown has been a complete liability as a return man, but he makes catches as a wideout everytime his name is called upon.  He also provides an element of a deep, speedy threat to the offense and provides upside on end arounds.  Bersin is a big body that can block, has great situational understanding (always knows where the first down marker is) and has been catching everything in sight.  These guys deserve a chance.  They are young, hungry and could be an integral part of our future.

 

In regards to our defense, the lack of Greg Hardy has been underestimated by everyone.  Yes, he disappeared some games, but other games he seemed to nearly win on his own.  At this point, I don't think his disappearances were for lack of motor.  In general, the games he "did nothing" in, the rest of our dline stepped up.  I'm convinced offenses that shut Greg down were ones that accounted enough resources to keep Greg in check and pulled too many resources from everyone else.  We have good defensive linemen, but having that one athletic freak capable of completely taking a game over is the key component we are missing.  You also need to think of how versatile he is.  He's great against the run.  He's a great ST gunner.  He makes plays on the inside and outside positions of the line.  He's got great speed and quickness making him a huge boon in the screen game and containing mobile quarterbacks.

[panthers1234]

KK should play over 80% of the snaps. He's barely playing 50%

 

No, Avant is a monster and Cotch is a solid #2. Bersin should get some more playing time but shouldn't start over either Avant or Cotch.

 

50% is more than enough. You have to manage his energy level in order to keep him fresh so he can be productive every play. 

[KillaCamNewton]

Godfrey must look like Sean Taylor in practice. I have no idea how he gets on the field

[KillaCamNewton]

That being said, we havent had an above average secondary since 05 when we had Lucas and Gamble as our corners and Minter and Mccree as our safeties

[Matthias]

 

When we drafted KK the knock on him was he took too many plays off. His response: "I was playing too many snaps". So there is that.

 

 

I'm not as concerned with who's starting as I am with who is seeing more snaps.

 

KK is without a doubt our best DL right now.  I understand he is isn't starting and isn't necessarily seeing the amount of snaps we think he should.  It was highly noted coming out of college that his biggest weakness was getting tired and seeing an excessive snap count (which resulted in the common statement of taking plays off).  He isn't a JJ Watt, Jared Allen, Peppers or Hardy, KK could very well have issues of "energy management" or is simply not able to achieve incredible levels of conditioning naturally.  If he is a guy that simply just goes all-out on every snap he is in on despite his body's ability to properly respond, then it makes it important to conserve his "tank" on a situational basis.

 

I like the fact that Norman has seemed to have gotten his head out of his ass.  He's talented and has the best ball skills on the team.  Bene needs to come back ASAP, he is a marked improvement over Munnerlyn who was quite effective as a nickel.  Melvin has some good attributes in terms of athletic ability and I like him as a back-up and role player, his pure coverage skills borderline acceptable.  Cason exhibits many of the same attributes of Melvin, but the fundamental difference is turnover generation.  Secondary players with a knack for forcing fumbles is a hugely underestimated aspect.  I understand he isn't playing bullet-proof ball but he's making enough critical plays every game to make a difference.  Godfrey is done.  I'd rather have him playing safety at this point.  Putting a guy like him coming off an achilles injury at NICKLEBACK is a horrible decision (and I believe intentional).  You are putting a safety into a position who's entire job is to defend (generally) the craftiest, quickest and most difficult man to wrap up on the opposing offense (slot receivers), this is the exact opposite of everything we've tried to accomplish with him as a safety.  Honestly I don't even blame the secondary for our game, we played soft coverage the entire game.  I love that we have corners who are able to be physical, but if you want the benefits of those types of guys you need to put them in a position to be physical.

 

Ed Dickson has done nothing this year.  Get Williams involved, especially in the passing game.  With Fozzy and Reaves both proving to be quality guys at picking up the blitz, we can spare having a tight end to go out and make plays downfield.  We can always let Olsen stay back and block if needed and would be unexpected.

 

With the way our defense has played and our inability to run the ball, we should be handing this offense over to Cam.  Get 4 receivers on the field often and spread them out.  Avant has been more reliable in critical situations and has more savvy than Cotchery.  Avant is not athletically gifted at an NFL level in any way, yet he makes much more of his opportunities than Cotch (especially in the screen game, which is most surprising).  I'm not in favor of benching Cotch, but I think Bersin and Brown need to start getting some snaps over him.  Brown has been a complete liability as a return man, but he makes catches as a wideout everytime his name is called upon.  He also provides an element of a deep, speedy threat to the offense and provides upside on end arounds.  Bersin is a big body that can block, has great situational understanding (always knows where the first down marker is) and has been catching everything in sight.  These guys deserve a chance.  They are young, hungry and could be an integral part of our future.

 

In regards to our defense, the lack of Greg Hardy has been underestimated by everyone.  Yes, he disappeared some games, but other games he seemed to nearly win on his own.  At this point, I don't think his disappearances were for lack of motor.  In general, the games he "did nothing" in, the rest of our dline stepped up.  I'm convinced offenses that shut Greg down were ones that accounted enough resources to keep Greg in check and pulled too many resources from everyone else.  We have good defensive linemen, but having that one athletic freak capable of completely taking a game over is the key component we are missing.  You also need to think of how versatile he is.  He's great against the run.  He's a great ST gunner.  He makes plays on the inside and outside positions of the line.  He's got great speed and quickness making him a huge boon in the screen game and containing mobile quarterbacks.

 

The same could be said for Star coming out.  That Rivera wanted to pace his snaps.  Yet Star still starts.  I notice that Rivera shuffles all his DTs during games, but again I notice Edwards in on a majority of them.  Cole seems to have a lot of snaps as well.  He was in on the big run with Bernard.  I would like to think if KK was in there on that play along with Star, they would have plugged that hole up a little better.  Together these guys could be a force to be reckon with.  Yet they play so few snaps together, and that is particularly a point with emphasis.  If KK starts with Lotulelei, even if Rivera shuffles the DT spot regularly, they would be in together more times than not.

[KendrickPanther]

Godfrey must look like Sean Taylor in practice. I have no idea how he gets on the field

 

He got on the field because we had 2 guys go down last week. The Panthers restructured his contract and I have a feeling that guaranteed him a roster spot. He's a veteran player but the injury he's coming off of is a really big deal.

[KendrickPanther]

 

 

 

 

 

The same could be said for Star coming out.  That Rivera wanted to pace his snaps.  Yet Star still starts.  I notice that Rivera shuffles all his DTs during games, but again I notice Edwards in on a majority of them.  Cole seems to have a lot of snaps as well.  He was in on the big run with Bernard.  I would like to think if KK was in there on that play along with Star, they would have plugged that hole up a little better.  Together these guys could be a force to be reckon with.  Yet they play so few snaps together, and that is particularly a point with emphasis.  If KK starts with Lotulelei, even if Rivera shuffles the DT spot regularly, they would be in together more times than not.

 

 

 

Star starts because the offense starts at 1st and 10. The idea is Star and Cole stuff the run downs then KK comes in to pass rush. They want him to be explosive.

 

I can't give you a reason why the Panthers rotate the way they do. But I'm sure they have a good reason. Dwan Edwards has been getting push too. It's just our DTs are getting double teams while the ends get pushed around 1v1.

[Nick_81]

He got on the field because we had 2 guys go down last week. The Panthers restructured his contract and I have a feeling that guaranteed him a roster spot. He's a veteran player but the injury he's coming off of is a really big deal.

He didn't restructure, he took a pay cut.  It's the only way he would have stayed on the team, but I don't think it "guaranteed" a roster spot.  Just happened to be the better backup.  The injury is a huge deal.  It's usually a couple years before they're even close to 100%.  Godfrey had track star speed before it happened, and now, he just looks pedestrian.

[catnip]

it became obvious that the Bengals were targeting Godfrey on third down plays knowing he would play soft or be out of position. In camp he was very slow and has not improved . Bene and Norman are quicker and cam react faster to the play.