todd gurly

[thefuzz]

Marhsawn Lynch was the 12 pick and San Fran seems to be pretty good and their known for drafting RB's in the first.  I know Lynch was drafted by Buffalo but he's making more then any rookie would, but he's worth his weight in gold.  The Ravens won a SB and I know it's to early to say Ray Rice was involved in any of that.

 

Gurley is the exception that proves the rule.  He's the best RB to come out since AP.

 

 

 

OK, so you have brought up Lynch and Gore here, but fail to address the rest of the lauded 1st rounders?

 

 

Ray Rice was drafted on the back end of the 2nd round.

 

 

Gurley has no shake, doesn't seem to move well from side to side, has an injury history, and is the wrong body style for the NFL RB.  No thank you.

 

 

I know you probably aren't one to look at the cap issues with drafting him, so I will help you out here.  Let's say we got him at the 20'th spot.

 

Here is how the money would work for this team.

 

Gurley: 1.6 million.

 

DWill:  6.6 million.  (assuming he is cut)

 

Stew:  8.3 million.

 

Tolbert:  3.4 million

 

 

So we are a team, still without a LT, or a RT, but will be paying the running backs 20 million dollars.  

 

Holy fug, I can't believe I am even talking about this with a Panthers fan.

[jdpanther5]

Gurley is the exception that proves the rule. He's the best RB to come out since AP.

So was Trent Richardson.

Lynch was a first rounder, but Rice was a second and Gore a third. Forte, MJD, and McCoy were all seconds. Charles and Murray were thirds.

Point is, the RB talent pool is just as strong later on (if not stronger), whereas the talent at other positions (eg OT) drops off more.

[ecu88]

Exactly. If the front doesn't improve even a young Barry Sanders would struggle.

I would love to get Sanders Jr, scattered back elusive runner in later rounds.

[TheMaulClaw]

OK, so you have brought up Lynch and Gore here, but fail to address the rest of the lauded 1st rounders?

 

 

Ray Rice was drafted on the back end of the 2nd round.

 

 

Gurley has no shake, doesn't seem to move well from side to side, has an injury history, and is the wrong body style for the NFL RB.  No thank you.

 

 

I know you probably aren't one to look at the cap issues with drafting him, so I will help you out here.  Let's say we got him at the 20'th spot.

 

Here is how the money would work for this team.

 

Gurley: 1.6 million.

 

DWill:  6.6 million.  (assuming he is cut)

 

Stew:  8.3 million.

 

Tolbert:  3.4 million

 

 

So we are a team, still without a LT, or a RT, but will be paying the running backs 20 million dollars.  

 

Holy fug, I can't believe I am even talking about this with a Panthers fan.

I'm aware of all the money tied up in the RB positions.  In the next two years as DWill and JStew are let go we will need another RB.  Hell we need one right now.  It really doesn't matter about how bad DWill's and JStew's contracts are.  If you need an RB you need an RB.  If we can lock one up for the next 4 to 5 years on a modest salary so what?  We'll have a good RB in place when those bad contracts finally walk out the door.  We would have upgraded the position and would drastically reduce our cap number when DWill and Jstew are released.  That gives us 3 years of KB and Gurley on rookie contracts together. 

 

If we tank the rest of the year and end up with a top 5 pick I'll be right on the OT train just like everyone else.  It looks like we're going to be 8-8/ 9-7 (still could win the South). Which mean we'll be picking between 15th and 18th.  That's good value for Gurley with all the top T's off the board.

 

I'm not anti tackle.  I just want BPA, and Gurley will be that if that's where we end up picking.

 

We can't just ignore a position because Stew and DWill's contracts....1.6 million is nothing.

 

[CRA]

RB is the biggest hole on the roster, especially with DWILL and Stew coming of the books soon. I know everyone is petrified of rbs because of Hurney, but having Gurley on a 4 year rookie deal with a team option is an amazing exit strategy. We've already seen some top picks at Tackle get abused. Eric Fisher has done nothing with Kansas City. Jake Long has already gone down. St Louis is a losing team with Greg Robinson. Jacksonville has given up 21 sacks this season with Luke Joeckel at LT. The guys that seems to be doing the best right now is Joel Bitonio and I believe he was a second rounder. There's no reason why we can't address T in the second round and through FA.

RB is the biggest hole on our roster?

Look at KC. They lost Jamal Charles for a few games.....they have a real OL. They inserted basically a fullback who then went off. OL makes a run game. You then get can have a very good or exceptional game.

OL is more important than the RB. Heck, out a healthy Williams or 28 behind a run blocking OL and they are 1200 yard backs right now.

[thefuzz]

I'm aware of all the money tied up in the RB positions.  In the next two years as DWill and JStew are let go we will need another RB.  Hell we need one right now.  It really doesn't matter about how bad DWill's and JStew's contracts are.  If you need an RB you need an RB.  If we can lock one up for the next 4 to 5 years on a modest salary so what?  We'll have a good RB in place when those bad contracts finally walk out the door.  We would have upgraded the position and would drastically reduce our cap number when DWill and Jstew are released.  That gives us 3 years of KB and Gurley on rookie contracts together. 

 

If we tank the rest of the year and end up with a top 5 pick I'll be right on the OT train just like everyone else.  It looks like we're going to be 8-8/ 9-7 (still could win the South). Which mean we'll be picking between 15th and 18th.  That's good value for Gurley with all the top T's off the board.

 

I'm not anti tackle.  I just want BPA, and Gurley will be that if that's where we end up picking.

 

We can't just ignore a position because Stew and DWill's contracts....1.6 million is nothing.

 

 

 

This is flawed logic in every sense of the word.

 

 

Did you pay attention to what the RB out of SD did last week for them....Oliver?

 

You absolutely do not need to waste a 1st round draft pick on a RB.  You just don't need to.

 

You say that the money doesn't matter, and I beg to differ.  We can find a RB cheap, you don't need to draft him high, what you can't do however is find CB's, T's, S's, and DE's on the cheap.

 

Time and time again, the modern day NFL is proving that you can get good (maybe the best) talent at RB late in the draft.

 

 

Jeez, I feel like I'm back in the Stewart Extension thread.

[TheMaulClaw]

RB is the biggest hole on our roster?

Look at KC. They lost Jamal Charles for a few games.....they have a real OL. They inserted basically a fullback who then went off. OL makes a run game. You then get can have a very good or exceptional game.

OL is more important than the RB. Heck, out a healthy Williams or 28 behind a run blocking OL and they are 1200 yard backs right now.

 

The two work together.  Yes the OL is the most important thing.  I'm not disputing this.  I feel very misunderstood in this topic.  I'm not saying that if a legit stud LT falls in out lap in the middle of the first round you don't jump at the chance.  I'm saying that the likelihood of that is very small because of the value placed on the LT position.  If we're going to choose BPA in the middle part of the 1st round, Gurley would be the BPA especially after all the top tier tackles fall off the board. 

 

RB is the biggest hole on the roster right now.  We have one guy who was P.S, and another who was debating on message boards just two weeks ago.  It's a big need.

[Dex]

OL OL OL oh and fuging OL. If he's there in the 7th(he won't be) then I'm all for taking him.

[bandu]

Can you imagine THREE first round running backs on one team?

[TheMaulClaw]

This is flawed logic in every sense of the word.

 

 

Did you pay attention to what the RB out of SD did last week for them....Oliver?

 

You absolutely do not need to waste a 1st round draft pick on a RB.  You just don't need to.

 

You say that the money doesn't matter, and I beg to differ.  We can find a RB cheap, you don't need to draft him high, what you can't do however is find CB's, T's, S's, and DE's on the cheap.

 

Time and time again, the modern day NFL is proving that you can get good (maybe the best) talent at RB late in the draft.

 

 

Jeez, I feel like I'm back in the Stewart Extension thread.

 

We have found Safeties and CBs on the cheap the past two years.  I wouldn't mind another DE and hopefully Ealy will step his game up next years.  A top tackle won't be there when we pick.  I'm not disputing the value of T's, and DE's.  Just tell me which tackle will be there in the middle of the round that's worth it?  No one has said which tackle we should take in the middle of the draft.

 

That extension nonsense is just your PTSD from how bad Hurney screwed us.  No one is talking extensions.  We're talking about take the BPA at where it looks like we would potentially pick.

[CRA]

The two work together. Yes the OL is the most important thing. I'm not disputing this. I feel very misunderstood in this topic. I'm not saying that if a legit stud LT falls in out lap in the middle of the first round you don't jump at the chance. I'm saying that the likelihood of that is very small because of the value placed on the LT position. If we're going to choose BPA in the middle part of the 1st round, Gurley would be the BPA especially after all the top tier tackles fall off the board.

RB is the biggest hole on the roster right now. We have one guy who was P.S, and another who was debating on message boards just two weeks ago. It's a big need.

RB isn't a bigger hole than our OL or secondary.

If we had a real OL, the league is full of dudes that could rush for 100 yards.

Only teams that struggle to run either have horrific QB play or no OL or a combo of the two.

Much easier to find a RB to fill a hole than a O lineman or CB or S etc that can get it done

BPA is now skewed in the current NFL. Hurled could be BPA.....doesn't make him the smart pick though based on how easy it is to find competent runners to insert into good offenses vs finding players at other spots to play at a consistent level.

[TheMaulClaw]

RB isn't a bigger hole than our OL or secondary.

If we had a real OL, the league is full of dudes that could rush for 100 yards.

Only teams that struggle to run either have horrific QB play or no OL or a combo of the two.

Much easier to find a RB to fill a hole than a O lineman or CB or S etc that can get it done

 

Not every back can rush for a 100 yards with eight men in the box. I think you're assuming way too much when it comes to RB's. 

 

Did you not see what Bell did to us in the Steeler's game?

[heel31ok]

Good god people have yall not learned.  Running back is not worth a first round pick. 

 

 

Our order next year should be

 

OT

WR

CB

S

DE

Then maybe a RB

 

it would be worth it right now.   

 

[SOJA]

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