Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

[Happy Panther]

I assume that Gettleman is a D first GM which is fine. I also assume he will build more around Cam going forward.

[Happy Panther]

Watching college gameday and a kid has a sign...

 

"Auburn paid Cam Newton's dad $180,000 for my other sign"

[Mr. Scot]

the inferior complex over Luck is getting to epically stupid proportions.

Getting?

[TheRumGone]

Watching college gameday and a kid has a sign...

 

"Auburn paid Cam Newton's dad $180,000 for my other sign"

 

[thefuzz]

All of you who post that the Panthers have done nothing to build around Cam, while looking at the Colts as a barometer are not too keen on details.

 

 

You have to dig a little deeper than screaming about Coby Fleener and TY Hilton.  This is madness.

 

 

Please look at the cap situation, player signed to long term deals, and overall mentality of the two owners, GM's, and HC's.  We have always been a defense first team, the Colts have always been a passing team....You know how many more Lombardi's they have than us?  1, and that's while having the best QB I have ever seen play for them for over a decade.

 

 

I think some of you want to see Cam "succeed", while not caring about W's.  Does it matter what ESPN says about our QB if we are winning and being competitive?  Hell no, but some of you don't see it that way.  You would rather win the QB comparison battle rather than field a consistent winning team.

[Happy Panther]

All we need is an improved line on offense.

[footballfan111]

Seems like most on this thread can't get over fact Luck went back for his last year at Stanford and passed on the Panthers. Provides a good way to vent frustrations that Luck > Cam. Takes the place of a psychiatrists couch. Guess everyone here is trying to rationalize how much better QB evaluators they are then sports media.  

[footballfan111]

Former NFL general manager Charley Casserly had high praise for Luck, saying (per NFL.com): "Let me tell you something.  I started in this league in 1977. (Luck) is the best young quarterback I have ever seen. Hall of Fame."

 

Casserly cited Luck's ability to see the whole field, his arm strength and accuracy at all levels and his athleticism and escapability in the pocket.

 

That latter quality is the best I have seen in a quarterback, young or old. TheMMQB.com film analyst Andy Benoit noted that Luck was not the primary culpable offender for a single sack he took during the 2013 season. Gregg Rosenthal half-jokingly referred to Luck's pocket movement as the "eighth wonder of the world."

 

Unlike most inexperienced quarterbacks, Luck runs a full NFL offense with the requisite responsibilities at the line of scrimmage. He's willing to pull the trigger on passes other quarterbacks won't even attempt. He's been the NFL's most effective quarterback coming from behind as well as in close-and-late situations since he entered the league.

 

Perhaps most importantly, Luck is the rare young quarterback with the demonstrated capability of putting the team on his back.

 

[teeray]

Seems like most on this thread can't get over fact Luck went back for his last year at Stanford and passed on the Panthers. Provides a good way to vent frustrations

Fresh take alert.

[teeray]

Former NFL general manager Charley Casserly had high praise for Luck, saying (per NFL.com): "Let me tell you something. I started in this league in 1977. (Luck) is the best young quarterback I have ever seen. Hall of Fame."

Casserly cited Luck's ability to see the whole field, his arm strength and accuracy at all levels and his athleticism and escapability in the pocket.

That latter quality is the best I have seen in a quarterback, young or old. TheMMQB.com film analyst Andy Benoit noted that Luck was not the primary culpable offender for a single sack he took during the 2013 season. Gregg Rosenthal half-jokingly referred to Luck's pocket movement as the "eighth wonder of the world."

Unlike most inexperienced quarterbacks, Luck runs a full NFL offense with the requisite responsibilities at the line of scrimmage. He's willing to pull the trigger on passes other quarterbacks won't even attempt. He's been the NFL's most effective quarterback coming from behind as well as in close-and-late situations since he entered the league.

Perhaps most importantly, Luck is the rare young quarterback with the demonstrated capability of putting the team on his back.

Charley Casserly who compared Cam Newton to Vince Young, said RG3 would be awesome, and says Russell Wilson is not a top 12 QB in the NFL?

Yep. He sure knows his quarterbacks

[Oudaman90]

All of you who post that the Panthers have done nothing to build around Cam, while looking at the Colts as a barometer are not too keen on details.

You have to dig a little deeper than screaming about Coby Fleener and TY Hilton. This is madness.

Please look at the cap situation, player signed to long term deals, and overall mentality of the two owners, GM's, and HC's. We have always been a defense first team, the Colts have always been a passing team....You know how many more Lombardi's they have than us? 1, and that's while having the best QB I have ever seen play for them for over a decade.

I think some of you want to see Cam "succeed", while not caring about W's. Does it matter what ESPN says about our QB if we are winning and being competitive? Hell no, but some of you don't see it that way. You would rather win the QB comparison battle rather than field a consistent winning team.

To be fair, there have been teams with great defenses that have not won super bowls either. Lovie Smith's Bears teams and Rex Ryan's Jets teams come to mind. The Baltimore Ravens of 2012 didn't have a great defense either, but they won. Those elite Ravens defenses the year before didn't.

While offense isn't everything, neither is defense. You have to have a good balance of both.

[Oudaman90]

*years

[TonyN]

The Colts are leading the NFL in total offense, passing offense and scoring offense and doing it with a bad offensive line.

 

As poor as Carolina's offensive line has looked at times this season, it can be argued that Indy's has been just as bad. 

 

The Colts are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt with Bradshaw and Richardson.

The Panthers are averaging 3.6 yards per attempt with Williams and Stewart.

 

The Colts are giving up 1.5 sacks and 5.5 QB hits per game.

The Panthers are giving up 2.4 sacks and 5.2 QB hits per game.

 

This is not a one year abberration, either.

Last season the Colts offensive line surrendered 109 QB hits, 3rd most in the entire NFL.

 

The Colts' starting center, the QB of the offensive line, is an undrafted rookie free agent named Jonotthan Harrison...

 

No matter what way you slice it, the Colts have a poor offensive line. And yet... 

 

 

(I apologize for a mistake in an earlier post. Actually last season the Colts went 5 and 4 against teams with winning records. That's a .56 win percentage. Extrapolated to an entire season, the Colts would have gone 9-7 had they played every game against teams with winning records.) 

[thefuzz]

To be fair, there have been teams with great defenses that have not won super bowls either. Lovie Smith's Bears teams and Rex Ryan's Jets teams come to mind. The Baltimore Ravens of 2012 didn't have a great defense either, but they won. Those elite Ravens defenses the year before didn't.

While offense isn't everything, neither is defense. You have to have a good balance of both.

 

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here?