Cam v. Luck - The "Build Around" Philosophy

[Ruff]

So, since the Colts played on Thursday night last night, we all got to hear about how amazing Andrew Luck is, and how he's the best young QB of all time, and how there was even debates if he's the best QB alive right now (hint: he's not). I, however, am on the ship that thinks Cam is a better QB Luck, he just hasn't had the weapons put around him that Luck has had. Now, let's look at the draft picks since they both came into the league (note: I'm using the drafts they were drafted in, because the teams knew they were building around their players immediately).

 

Andrew Luck - 1st Pick Overall, 2012

Since then:

2012

Coby Fleener, TE

Dwayne Allen, TE

TY Hilton, WR

Vick Ballard, RB

LaVon Brazill, WR

Justin Anderson, G

Chandler Harnish, QB

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 7/9

 

2013

Hugh Thornton, G

Khaled Holmes, C

Kerwynn Williams, RB

Justice Cunningham, TE

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 4/7

 

2014

Jack Mewhort, T

Donte Moncrief, WR

Ulrick John, G

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 3/5

 

Total offensive players selected since Luck / possible picks: 14/21 = 67%

 

Now, a look at Carolina

2011

Kealoha Pilares, WR

Zach Williams, C

Lee Ziemba, T

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 3/7

 

2012

Amini Silatolu, G

Joe Adams, WR

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 2/7

 

2013

Edmund Kugbila, G

Kenjon Barner, RB

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 2/5

 

2014

Kelvin Benjamin, WR

Trai Turner, G

Tyler Gaffney, RB

Offensive players selected / number of total picks: 3/6

 

Total offensive players selected since Cam / possible picks: 10/25 = 40%

 

Less than half of our Draft picks since Cam has been drafted have been towards offensive, where as Luck is literally seeing 2/3 of the players selected by the Colts on the offensive side of the ball. 

 

There's where the big difference comes from between Luck's production and Cam's production. Every Colts' game, you see guys like Allen and Hilton making huge plays, while we aren't even putting our franchise QB in a position to do well.

[MichaelNewtonII]

Yeah we haven't put as many pieces around him like we should which is not good. But Cam does have a better defense to fall back on than Luck.

[Peppers90 NC]

before last night, of his 14 td passes, only 3 went to a wr.  he is racking up 2-5 yard touchdown passes to his backs and te's and inflating his stats.  that said, he still throws nice intermediate and deep balls and moves remarkably well in the pocket.

[Mr. Scot]

You're spanning two different GMs with the Panthers (Grigson joined the Colts the same year as Luck).

Hard to build a narrative given that fact.

[PhillyB]

i don't think some people realize how deeply marty hurney penetrated our soft salary cap sphincter with his dry outrageous contract dick

[Ruff]

You're spanning two different GMs with the Panthers (Grigson joined the Colts the same year as Luck).

Hard to build a narrative given that fact.

 

Actually, it's not that much different. Both Hurney (in Cam's first 2 years) and Gettleman (Cam's second 2 years) have drafted exactly 5 offensive players each. Hurney draft 3 OL and 2 WR, Gettleman drafted 2 OL, 2 RB, and 1 WR. The numbers are closer than you think.

 

EDIT: Also both have shared a coaching staff, which can go a long ways in building the same team... Or, a team in the same way.

[WhoAmI?]

Yeah we haven't put as many pieces around him like we should which is not good. But Cam does have a better defense to fall back on than Luck.

 

Not if you're counting this year (as of now). The Colts have had a pretty damn good defense this year, better than the Panthers at the moment. Albeit, they have played some cupcakes.

[Mr. Scot]

Actually, it's not that much different. Both Hurney (in Cam's first 2 years) and Gettleman (Cam's second 2 years) have drafted exactly 5 offensive players each. Hurney draft 3 OL and 2 WR, Gettleman drafted 2 OL, 2 RB, and 1 WR. The numbers are closer than you think.

EDIT: Also both have shared a coaching staff, which can go a long ways in building the same team... Or, a team in the same way.

You're talking about two guys with entirely different qualifications, backgrounds and (most important) philosophies, though.

There's nothing whatsoever to indicate that Gentleman had any intentions of continuing Marty Hurney's plans.

This is evidenced in part by his own statements, but perhaps even more so by the fact that there's little evidence Marty Hurney actually had plans.

[The Huddler]

Kinda hard to build for the future when youre stuck paying for the past..

And Somehow its gettlemans fault.

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

This is how I imagine some of the folks around here act when watching other teams play.

[Ruff]

Kinda hard to build for the future when youre stuck paying for the past..

And Somehow its gettlemans fault.

 

I know you're #1 Gettleman Fanboi, but I'm actually not saying it's his fault. I'm saying it's partly fault for everyone involved. The coaching staff, the front office (both of the regimes), the owner, etc. Cam needs to have more weapons. It's as simple as that. 

[Brooklyn Bully]

[Ruff]

You're talking about two guys with entirely different qualifications, backgrounds and (most important) philosophies, though.

There's nothing whatsoever to indicate that Gentleman had any intentions of continuing Marty Hurney's plans.

This is evidenced in part by his own statements, but perhaps even more so by the fact that there's little evidence Marty Hurney actually had plans.

 

Except, there's already evidence to support the contrary. Sorry Mr. Scot. 

[CelibatePimp]

before last night, of his 14 td passes, only 3 went to a wr.  he is racking up 2-5 yard touchdown passes to his backs and te's and inflating his stats.  that said, he still throws nice intermediate and deep balls and moves remarkably well in the pocket.

 

Inflating his stats? So a TD should not count because it was by a RB? No one here complains when Olsen is catching TDs from Cam.