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"Wide receiver is not a problem" [Phrase should be banned]

top dawg

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teeray Rookie

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If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

 

 

Here, I will give you some facts to make an argument

 

This season

Cam has a much better INT % (2.7 to 0.8)

Cam and Luck have same YPA (7.6)

Cam has higher YPC (12.4 to 11.6)

Luck's sack rate is 3.3% whereas Cam's sack rate 7.9% so Cam is more than twice as likely to get sacked on a drop back than Luck is

 

Cam has a higher career completion % (60% to 58.5%)

Cam and Luck have same career TD% (4.3)

 

Over last two season Luck is 6-7 outside the AFC South.

 

So.....  what more logic, facts, and non-bullshit do you need?

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Mistuh Jones Experienced

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Andrew Luck makes TY Hilton look better than he is. No disrespect to Hilton, he's solid, but Luck is unreal. The hate he gets on here is insane. 

 

Luck is unreal with throws under 10 yards. He's like 32nd out of 35 qbs (with attempts enough to count) on throws deeper than that. So pop his cock out of your mouth and find another board to troll bitch.

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teeray Rookie

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Cam is completing half his passes that go for 15yds or more this year. Last year, he was completing 28.8%. His improvement is pretty clear.

 

He led the NFC in deep passes completion % as a rookie.  That will be up and down season to season for a lot of people

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At this point, Greg Rosenthal has ranked Cam as a better passer than Wilson. Elliot Harrison mentions how Wilson is a poor pocket QB and Pete Prisco has written a couple of articles with film breakdown of how Wilson is not a good pocket QB. Unless people don't know what pocket QB play looks like, I don't know what people see when they watch Wilson play.

 

It's amazing what you can do with no pressure. And don't forget to see who is one of the most competitive QBs with pressure.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/05/qbs-in-focus-pressure-and-the-blitz/

 

 

And let's take a look at who is getting the most pressures (or is not, as it were):

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/17/quarterbacks-under-pressure/

 

 

You see what I am getting at?  It's not as black & white as some of y'all would have us believe.  

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This draft upcoming I'd feel safe at not even touching WR.  Our Oline and secondary needs to be the #1 priority, with those bandaged up with some up & coming rookies other areas will flourish with the ability of time in the pocket/better coverage in the secondary.

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Here's the thing about the Luck vs Cam argument.

The reason it exists is because many Panthers fans wanted Andrew Luck over Cam... even after Cam was drafted.

Cam had the greatest rookie year of any QB in NFL history. For Panther fans, for some reason, they took it personally that Luck didn't come out of college... even though Cam has wanted to play here. Cam is the heel. Luck is the darling. But Panthers have a particular hate towards Andrew Luck that Colts fans.. don't have for Cam. Because they don't feel shafted by Cam Newton... they don't pay any attention to him. Only Panther fans are tracking every move that Andrew Luck because their feelings are still hurt.

Andrew Luck is a great QB... but so is Cam Newton. They both have weaknesses and they both have areas of strength.

But here is where the comparisons end. Andrew Luck has what Cam has failed to get after 3 years... support.

The Colts are built around Andrew Luck's abilities. Because they know how to support a quarterback (see Peyton Manning). This organization has not given Cam what he needs to succeed. And as much as I think that Luke is a wonderful captain of the defense... Cam has NOT been provided with the tools or the personnel that can maximize his strengths. Two offensive coordinators with two different philosophies... retiring o-line, new WR corps (who wasn't that good anyway)....

Having said that... we're still 3-2 on top of the NFC South. Cam has played hurt and the defense has been off-track. Cam's numbers will not look like Andrew Lucks numbers this year because he's missed a game, played hurt, offensive side of the ball has suffered injuries to RB's and receivers... with a spotty line at best.... ??

Man GTFOH

I don't care about Andrew Luck. I stopped caring about him the minute we drafted our quarterback. Worry about what who we have and putting our team in a consistent position to succeed.

Doing to Andrew Luck what everybody else does to Cam wont change anything.

To piggy back off this.....

I remember this board when Luck announced he was staying at Stanford. Everyone knew it was a b.s. excuse and the fact that daddy luck came out and said he doesn't want his son to play for a organization like the Panthers. We just ended or in the process of a lockout with out owner the face of the owners that wanted to save money. A rookie HC and a organization that had not shown consistency I dont blame him, but just be real dont be a vagina and say "I wanna finish my architecture degree so im ready after school" please you know your gonna be set for life after football as a QB.

He left a bitter taste in a organizations mouth (fan wise) just like when elway didnt want to play for the colts (standford again ironic eh?) Manning and the chargers. Im really happy with Cam as our QB, he adds a personality I think Luck wouldn't bring for our market and I think he could end up being one of the best around in the future. But I lose respect for men who let their daddies control where they are gonna play instead of being confident enough to be thr face of a organization and could potentially be the one that turns it around.

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top dawg Grand Master

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Here, I will give you some facts to make an argument

 

This season

Cam has a much better INT % (2.7 to 0.8)

Cam and Luck have same YPA (7.6)

Cam has higher YPC (12.4 to 11.6)

Luck's sack rate is 3.3% whereas Cam's sack rate 7.9% so Cam is more than twice as likely to get sacked on a drop back than Luck is

 

Cam has a higher career completion % (60% to 58.5%)

Cam and Luck have same career TD% (4.3)

 

Over last two season Luck is 6-7 outside the AFC South.

 

So.....  what more logic, facts, and non-bullshit do you need?

 

 

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It's amazing what you can do with no pressure. And don't forget to see who is one of the most competitive QBs with pressure.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/05/qbs-in-focus-pressure-and-the-blitz/

And let's take a look at who is getting the most pressures (or is not, as it were):

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/17/quarterbacks-under-pressure/

You see what I am getting at? It's not as black & white as some of y'all would have us believe.

You know the part which I like? Where it says " Russell Wilson was the league's best against the blitz at +21.5 and he did it with one of the HIGHEST times to throw at 3.05 seconds." I thought he had a bad oline?

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