"Wide receiver is not a problem" [Phrase should be banned]

[Lumps]

This is actually a great point to bring out. But Cam Newton and Andrew Luck for the sake of comparisons.... are not being compared on how they win games... but how they perform individually. I think they're both great quarterbacks... but to the masses, when your success is being measured In large part by your individual numbers... then the narrative will always be In favor of the person who has the tools. Barry Sanders was a better talent than Emmitt Smith, but Emmitt won more championships and (for the sake of the numbers) had a better career.

With respect to our Defense... right now we're hovering around being ranked 22. We've allowed 120 points (24 points a game avg.) And as great as Luke is.... the absence of Greg Hardy is obvious. But nobody is blaming Luke for the defense struggling. 2 TD's and a field goal (17 pts) wont cut it if we're allowing 24 pts.

I'm not talking about giving Cam anything extra special... but we can start with something we gave Luke.... a line.

If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

[top dawg]

If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

 

 

Conjecture goes both ways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wilson>Luck.

[teeray]

If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

You are either trolling or haven't watched any Colts games.

[CelibatePimp]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-podcasts/0ap3000000408277/DDFP-TV-Andrew-Luck-or-Russell-Wilson

Just watch the video. Elliot Harrison mentions how Luck is overrated but he'll take him over Wilson because Wilson is not a good pocket QB and he can't continue running around like that. How anyone can watch a SEA game and come away that Wilson thrives in the pocket just baffles me. He's good at what he does but he's not a good pocket QB.

[Kuhndog94]

If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

Weird.... I'm pretty sure Cam calls the plays in our no huddle offense and we do the best when we are in the no huddle offense. Cam has thrown one flukey interception. Cam is more accurate, but the receivers have to catch for it to count as a completion.

Cam is more accurate, last year showed that. Cam makes pretty good decisions and CAN read the defense(No Huddle, duh).

Oh, and Cam is doing this with an injured ankle and injured ribs.

I'd take Cam over the throat beard any day of the week. The guy is a monster.

[Kakarot]

If this is the case, Cam still loses. Luck is superior from his mechanics to decision making to accuracy to his ability to quickly read defenses.

People on here just can't accept the fact he might just be the better QB. His oline is not tanked that much better than ours also, btw.

This forums looks just plain stupid to anyone who reads it when it comes to the blind homerism for Cam. The only arguments are if cam had this or if cam had that. No facts, no logic, just a bunch of what ifs and bullshit.

How many message boards have you been to? Every fanbase and message board is going to stick up for their guy. Every board is filled with homers. Just like every board has a few guys who thinks he's going against the grain by dissing their guys

[Kuhndog94]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-podcasts/0ap3000000408277/DDFP-TV-Andrew-Luck-or-Russell-Wilson

Just watch the video. Elliot Harrison mentions how Luck is overrated but he'll take him over Wilson because Wilson is not a good pocket QB and he can't continue running around like that. How anyone can watch a SEA game and come away that Wilson thrives in the pocket just baffles me. He's good at what he does but he's not a good pocket QB.

The people claiming Wilson is a future HoFer annoys me. He came into possibly the best situation out of any of the newer QBs. Yes not as good as people think he is.

[top dawg]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-podcasts/0ap3000000408277/DDFP-TV-Andrew-Luck-or-Russell-Wilson

Just watch the video. Elliot Harrison mentions how Luck is overrated but he'll take him over Wilson because Wilson is not a good pocket QB and he can't continue running around like that. How anyone can watch a SEA game and come away that Wilson thrives in the pocket just baffles me. He's good at what he does but he's not a good pocket QB.

 

When he has a clean pocket, PFF says he accounts of himself well.

[CelibatePimp]

At this point, Greg Rosenthal has ranked Cam as a better passer than Wilson. Elliot Harrison mentions how Wilson is a poor pocket QB and Pete Prisco has written a couple of articles with film breakdown of how Wilson is not a good pocket QB. Unless people don't know what pocket QB play looks like, I don't know what people see when they watch Wilson play.

[Woodie]

what truly gets lost in this discussion is the great job Pep Hamilton is doing as the OC for the colts. he calls plays to better fit his players on the field, and put his guys in position to win. Pep understands in order for the colts offense to be successful, Luck has to throw the at least 40+ times a game. and Luck is taking full advantage of his weapons, and playing at a very high level right now. very QB will have some bad balls, thats apart of the game.

 

Pep is from Charlotte, and came from that same power running scheme that sets up the playaction/ vertical throws that Stanford runs. he was Luck's OC their for a year or 2, now he has been with Luck in the NFL for 2 years. not a QB coach, but an OC, someone who has shown the ability to call plays, and adjust in game situations. 

 

but this team does need to upgrade the offensive weapons some more, including the OL. a speed WR has to be added as well, but one can be found later in the draft around rounds 2-4. but OL has to be the focus this offseason. 

This is the crux of the issue.  We do not take advantage of all of Cam's strengths, or try to minimize the offense's weaknesses enough (ex. more quick strike passes to limit the pressure Cam regularly receives, or even putting more offensive weapons out there forcing the defense to give up on stacking the box and blitzing us to death...I saw Indy do it quite a bit, and even though Luck had some pressure, there was almost always someone free he could get the ball to quickly). 

 

I don't have the problem with Shula that some do, but I do think he is somewhat like Fox in that he will force players to fit his system rather than adjust the system to fit the players.  The read-option is not enough of an adjustment for a player like Cam.  Sure, he does it well, and it should be a part of the offense, but it really doesn't take full advantage of his explosiveness and athleticism.  Nor does it play into his ability to control a game using a hurry-up scheme (I know much of that resistance comes from Rivera). 

 

This offense needs to open up and clear space for Cam to operate.  Put pressure on defenses to either protect the passing zones and leave Cam free to kill them on the ground, or protect against his ability to run, leaving receivers one on one with open passing lanes.  Cam is a unique talent, we need to start taking full advantage of that. 

 

 

 

 

[Kuhndog94]

At this point, Greg Rosenthal has ranked Cam as a better passer than Wilson. Elliot Harrison mentions how Wilson is a poor pocket QB and Pete Prisco has written a couple of articles with film breakdown of how Wilson is not a good pocket QB. Unless people don't know what pocket QB play looks like, I don't know what people see when they watch Wilson play.

It's weird how the two NFL.com analysts I actually liked said this. (Rosenthal and Harrison)

[pantherclaw]

Does the OP know the average YPC of KB?

[Mol3m4n]

It's weird how the two NFL.com analysts I actually liked said this. (Rosenthal and Harrison)

I like Harrison, but despise Rosenthal.

[CelibatePimp]

When he has a clean pocket, PFF says he accounts of himself well.

Everyone can play pitch and catch with a clean pocket. Truth is, any pocket is hardly clean. You move within the pocket, not outside, while making your reads and deliver the ball to be a good pocket QB. Not run out and run. I'm also not talking about being in the pocket and making one read throws like slants and go routes.