"Wide receiver is not a problem" [Phrase should be banned]

[csx]

This post makes you look "uneducated" and "narrow minded". Don't be a Billy Boxscore! Watch the games and you'll see why alot of us don't feel the same way.

If you watched more Indy games you'd understand that Luck IS overrated by the media. No one is saying he isn't good but the media has already crowned him the next best thing and right now I can't honestly say he is.

Luck and Wilson were put in the best possible positions to succeed. Luck for the most part had all day in the pocket last night and still threw some very questionable passes. Wilson is good too but he sure doesn't have to do much in order to win. He still relies on his legs more than his arm, something many of you said and bashed Cam for.

IMO Cam is a better pocket passer than both Luck and Wilson. Wilson makes some nice touch throws and is great on the run but isn't often asked to make alot of these tough throws Cam does. Cam can make ANY throw from the pocket and is often asked to put it in the smallest of windows. Cam has the arm strength and accuracy to do it as well. We see time and time again what Cam can do with a decent pocket and average to below average weapons.

When ranking these guys you must factor in the players around them and ask yourself who gets the most out of what they have to work with? IMO that's Cam.

Are you saying that in order for a QB to be good is for them to have a shitty line and still look good? Thats kind of absurd.

[firstdayfan]

This post makes you look "uneducated" and "narrow minded". Don't be a Billy Boxscore! Watch the games and you'll see why alot of us don't feel the same way.

If you watched more Indy games you'd understand that Luck IS overrated by the media. No one is saying he isn't good but the media has already crowned him the next best thing and right now I can't honestly say he is.

Luck and Wilson were put in the best possible positions to succeed. Luck for the most part had all day in the pocket last night and still threw some very questionable passes. Wilson is good too but he sure doesn't have to do much in order to win. He still relies on his legs more than his arm, something many of you said and bashed Cam for.

IMO Cam is a better pocket passer than both Luck and Wilson. Wilson makes some nice touch throws and is great on the run but isn't often asked to make alot of these tough throws Cam does. Cam can make ANY throw from the pocket and is often asked to put it in the smallest of windows. Cam has the arm strength and accuracy to do it as well. We see time and time again what Cam can do with a decent pocket and average to below average weapons.

When ranking these guys you must factor in the players around them and ask yourself who gets the most out of what they have to work with? IMO that's Cam.

 

I simply don't agree with you.  Luck is an extremely gifted QB and I watch plenty of games with him and russell wilson.  It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit they are as good or even better than Cam right now.

 

You can NOT deny that he is playing as good or better than any QB in the league right now not named Peyton.  Its idiotic to even suggest that.  Your idea that the media has crowned him as the "next best thing" is ridiculous.  He IS the next best thing.  Luck, Wilson, Newton...all these guys are the next great QB's of this generation, luck being the best of those three right now.  What else is the media supposed to talk about??? 

 

And Luck wasn't put in the "best" position to succeed.  The Colts were what 1-15 or so before he got there?  Come on man, I would say that Indy has done a better job putting guys around luck.  But that's not something you should really compare between QB's.  To do so is ridiculous.  Some Panther fans do so because its convenient and makes them feel better.

[*FreeFua*]

Are you saying that in order for a QB to be good is for them to have a shitty line and still look good? Thats kind of absurd.

Nope I'm just saying that IMO if Cam had a team like Indy or Seattle he'd be putting up even better numbers. This whole Luck vs Wilson vs Newton argument is tough because there's always going to be alot of "what ifs" and it all comes down to personal opinion.

[CatMan72]

No point talking about a WR problem until we solve the OL and HB problems. 

[firstdayfan]

Cam doesn't call the plays and we don't have the type of WR's to do that

 

I was being sarcastic.

[top dawg]

Oline is a scapegoat most people use for scrambling QBs. Last season, Vick was taking a pounding but all of a sudden Philly's oline became on of the best in the league when Foles came in. If you know where you're going with the ball, oline shouldn't be much of an issue. I mean it's the same line blocking for Lynch. Run blocking and pass blocking are different but the two cannot be that badly far apart.

 

You're making it more simplistic than it is.  Wilson is pressured far more than most QBs (at least he was last year), but when he has a clean pocket he is exceptional. Moreover he is deadly outside the pocket. 

 

BTW, Harvin and Hilton do have their similarities in their route running. Harvin is more physical however.

[Nick_81]

Philly and Snead aren't burners and I guess we'll have to wait and see on Hill.

I don't know man.  We finally got to see Philly's speed on that crazy punt return scenario.  That dude got down the field fast as poo.  I was thinking it as he got into the end zone.  

 

You can see when he turns it on, how much ground he covers, in a hurry.  Then you'll see him let up about the 25 yard line.  Pretty damn fast.

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Philly-Brown-79-yard-punt-return-TD/06780561-074f-438e-b63d-ee59ccfe1d59

[*FreeFua*]

I simply don't agree with you. Luck is an extremely gifted QB and I watch plenty of games with him and russell wilson. It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit they are as good or even better than Cam right now.

You can NOT deny that he is playing as good or better than any QB in the league right now not named Peyton. Its idiotic to even suggest that. Your idea that the media has crowned him as the "next best thing" is ridiculous. He IS the next best thing. Luck, Wilson, Newton...all these guys are the next great QB's of this generation, luck being the best of those three right now. What else is the media supposed to talk about???

And Luck wasn't put in the "best" position to succeed. The Colts were what 1-15 or so before he got there? Come on man, I would say that Indy has done a better job putting guys around luck. But that's not something you should really compare between QB's. To do so is ridiculous. Some Panther fans do so because its convenient and makes them feel better.

Indy has done a GREAT job of putting talent around Luck and that's what makes me mad. We've done almost nothing to help Cam out, and it's Cam that takes all the heat when this team loses and most of the credit goes to the defense when we win.

Indy wasn't your typical 1-15 team that season. They had pieces but lost Manning and that's what buried them. Like TheRed said Irsay and company jumped on the opportunity to draft Luck and tanked that season.

Like I said above, this is all personal opinion. So we'll have to agree to disagree on this Luck vs Newton thing.

[top dawg]

Someone please tell me that Cam isn't protecting the ball better than Luck right now...and with a shittier O-line and no vertical threat.

[Eazy-E]

Oline is a scapegoat most people use for scrambling QBs. Last season, Vick was taking a pounding but all of a sudden Philly's oline became on of the best in the league when Foles came in. If you know where you're going with the ball, oline shouldn't be much of an issue. I mean it's the same line blocking for Lynch. Run blocking and pass blocking are different but the two cannot be that badly far apart.

You may want to research the offensive line position. Run blocking and pass blocking are vastly different.

Also the Seahawks line is much better at run blocking but are also pretty decent at pass blocking. Still the Seahawks call a lot of bootlegs and pass plays designed to get Wilson out of the pocket because it plays into his strengths as a QB. Just another example of coaches setting up players to succeed.

This is why I am on the fire Shula band wagon. Cam is being set up to fail for some reason. Our line is so bad, they can't run block or pass block. If the coaches want cam to deliver from the pocket he is going to need a line that can actually produce one. Or the play caller needs to adjust a call plays that get the ball out of the QBs hands faster. It is still amazing to me that Cam is producing the way he is with such few turnovers. He has been sacked a few times this year from completely unblocked pass rushers. No QB is going to perform well under those circumstances.

[CelibatePimp]

You may want to research the offensive line position. Run blocking and pass blocking are vastly different.

Also the Seahawks line is much better at run blocking but are also pretty decent at pass blocking. Still the Seahawks call a lot of bootlegs and pass plays designed to get Wilson out of the pocket because it plays into his strengths as a QB. Just another example of coaches setting up players to succeed.

This is why I am on the fire Shula band wagon. Cam is being set up to fail for some reason. Our line is so bad, they can't run block or pass block. If the coaches want cam to deliver from the pocket he is going to need a line that can actually produce one. Or the play caller needs to adjust a call plays that get the ball out of the QBs hands faster. It is still amazing to me that Cam is producing the way he is with such few turnovers. He has been sacked a few times this year from completely unblocked pass rushers. No QB is going to perform well under those circumstances.

I never said they were the same. I said they were different but that you can't be so good at run blocking and poo the bed on pass blocking. Chances are you'll be decent but not to the level where you're top in the league in run blocking and last in the league in pass blocking. QB movement within the pocket also contributes to pocket integrity.

[CelibatePimp]

You're making it more simplistic than it is. Wilson is pressured far more than most QBs (at least he was last year), but when he has a clean pocket he is exceptional. Moreover he is deadly outside the pocket.

BTW, Harvin and Hilton do have their similarities in their route running. Harvin is more physical however.

yeah but Harvin's role in SEA has mostly been limited to jet sweeps and handing him the ball from the backfield and you should wonder why.

[Eazy-E]

I simply don't agree with you. Luck is an extremely gifted QB and I watch plenty of games with him and russell wilson. It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit they are as good or even better than Cam right now.

You can NOT deny that he is playing as good or better than any QB in the league right now not named Peyton. Its idiotic to even suggest that. Your idea that the media has crowned him as the "next best thing" is ridiculous. He IS the next best thing. Luck, Wilson, Newton...all these guys are the next great QB's of this generation, luck being the best of those three right now. What else is the media supposed to talk about???

And Luck wasn't put in the "best" position to succeed. The Colts were what 1-15 or so before he got there? Come on man, I would say that Indy has done a better job putting guys around luck. But that's not something you should really compare between QB's. To do so is ridiculous. Some Panther fans do so because its convenient and makes them feel better.

Indy was playing without Manning and blatantly tanked. 09 and 10 they were first place in their division and there really wasn't much roster turnaround over those years. That 2-14 team was a division winner with Manning and the next year Luck won the division with an improved roster. Sorry but Curtis Painter couldn't even win with a probowl roster around him which was why the Colts entered the year with him as their starter.

[footballisasport]

Andrew Luck makes TY Hilton look better than he is. No disrespect to Hilton, he's solid, but Luck is unreal. The hate he gets on here is insane.

I saw a guy almost getting picked off 5 times. What is so unreal about that?

What is so unreal is how easily folks are to adjust their lenses once a person is seen in a certain light. Every time Luck almost got intercepted, he resorted to chunking the balls.

I will say, luck is the complete 180 of Cam on this board. Some of you remember every little mistake Cam makes and act like it was his entire game. With Luck, u only remember the occasional burst of good throws and ignore everything that doesn't matter.