"Wide receiver is not a problem" [Phrase should be banned]

[top dawg]

You're delusional if you think Hilton is the reason Luck is putting up big numbers.

 

I'm done arguing. I don't wanna get banned with the new rules and stuff. 

 

You're delusional if you think that Luck puts up those numbers without Hilton. He doesn't. Plain and simple.

[*FreeFua*]

Irvin said during the post game last night that he always put Desean Jackson on a different level as far as speed guys go. Said after last nights game he puts TY Hilton in there with Jackson and I would have to agree.

Luck is overrated by the media big time. Luck is a good, young QB and there's no arguing that. But he throws alot of questionable balls still and almost blew a huge lead last night. I have no issues with Luck, it's the constant Cam bashing and Luck praising that gets annoying. If Cam had a performance like Luck last night this place would have imploded. Don't just form an opinion based on a box score, watch the games and see for yourself.

[*FreeFua*]

Now to stay on topic with the thread, I agree topdawg. This group is missing that speed guy and it'd be really nice to have one. Philly and Snead aren't burners and I guess we'll have to wait and see on Hill.

Hopefully we can grab a guy like Phillip Dorsett in the later rounds of this upcoming draft.

[DaCityKats]

what truly gets lost in this discussion is the great job Pep Hamilton is doing as the OC for the colts. he calls plays to better fit his players on the field, and put his guys in position to win. Pep understands in order for the colts offense to be successful, Luck has to throw the at least 40+ times a game. and Luck is taking full advantage of his weapons, and playing at a very high level right now. very QB will have some bad balls, thats apart of the game.

 

Pep is from Charlotte, and came from that same power running scheme that sets up the playaction/ vertical throws that Stanford runs. he was Luck's OC their for a year or 2, now he has been with Luck in the NFL for 2 years. not a QB coach, but an OC, someone who has shown the ability to call plays, and adjust in game situations. 

 

but this team does need to upgrade the offensive weapons some more, including the OL. a speed WR has to be added as well, but one can be found later in the draft around rounds 2-4. but OL has to be the focus this offseason. 

[Tub of Goo]

Within the context of our team and other issues, WR is not a problem.  However, having a vertical speed guy would definitely add a new dimension to the O and I think it would take it to the next level.  With Cam's improved passing and accuracy IMO, it would be really exciting to see what he could do with the deep ball.  

 

And to anyone who watched the game, they were good throws by Luck but better catches by Hilton.  He had the diving bomb that he caught with his fingers and then that TD that Luck just threw up and Hilton positioned himself well and made a play on the ball.  

[Corymega51]

I wanted ty Hilton when he came out... I hope we can get stefon diggs some where in the draft this ye5

[Ricky Spanish]

Luck is good, but the colts aren't as good as they seem. 

 

That is the weakest division in football, bar none. He gets 6 cake games a year guaranteed. That is going to boost anyone's stats. 

 

So while he is good and improving, he tends to Tebow games (suck for first 3 quarters then turn on the magic) in which the colts have their comebacks. He's pretty up and down himself but no one wants to acknowledge that. 

 

He's playing better this year than his first two years I won't argue that. What bothers me more is that he has better pieces in place around him than Cam does, and Cam seems to get punished while Luck gets praised for it. 

[SCP]

Dat oline doh. That is a real problem.

[teeray]

Since last season the Colts are 9-0 in their terrible AFC South division and 6-7 against the rest of the league.

I said this in the TNF thread there are 2 things I am certain of

1- Luck is really, really good

2- Luck is really, really overrated

It is hard to be both, but somehow he is

[DaCityKats]

I wanted ty Hilton when he came out... I hope we can get stefon diggs some where in the draft this ye5

 

Stefon Diggs- Maryland

Sterling Shepard- Oklahoma

Dres Anderson- Utah

Devin Smith- OSU

Rashad Greene- FSU

Dorial Green- Beckahm- Oklahoma

Phillip Dorsett- Da U

Sammie Coats- Auburn

Jamison Crowder- Duke

Antwan Goodley- Baylor

Deontay Greenberry- Houston

Devante Parker- Louisville

[TheWiz]

Here's the thing about the Luck vs Cam argument.

 

The reason it exists is because many Panthers fans wanted Andrew Luck over Cam... even after Cam was drafted.

 

Cam had the greatest rookie year of any QB in NFL history. For Panther fans, for some reason, they took it personally that Luck didn't come out of college... even though Cam has wanted to play here. Cam is the heel. Luck is the darling. But Panthers have a particular hate towards Andrew Luck that Colts fans.. don't have for Cam. Because they don't feel shafted by Cam Newton... they don't pay any attention to him. Only Panther fans are tracking every move that Andrew Luck because their feelings are still hurt.

 

Andrew Luck is a great QB... but so is Cam Newton. They both have weaknesses and they both have areas of strength.

 

But here is where the comparisons end. Andrew Luck has what Cam has failed to get after 3 years... support.

 

The Colts are built around Andrew Luck's abilities. Because they know how to support a quarterback (see Peyton Manning). This organization has not given Cam what he needs to succeed. And as much as I think that Luke is a wonderful captain of the defense... Cam has NOT been provided with the tools or the personnel that can maximize his strengths. Two offensive coordinators with two different philosophies... retiring o-line, new WR corps (who wasn't that good anyway)....

 

Having said that... we're still 3-2 on top of the NFC South. Cam has played hurt and the defense has been off-track. Cam's numbers will not look like Andrew Lucks numbers this year because he's missed a game, played hurt, offensive side of the ball has suffered injuries to RB's and receivers... with a spotty line at best.... ??

 

Man GTFOH

 

I don't care about Andrew Luck. I stopped caring about him the minute we drafted our quarterback. Worry about what who we have and putting our team in a consistent position to succeed.  

 

Doing to Andrew Luck what everybody else does to Cam wont change anything.

[top dawg]

Well, in addition to the O-line I've also heard the continual complaint that Cam holds on to the ball too long.  My contention is that a a legitimate vertical threat would not only give Cam another viable target, but it would also help to alleviate some pressure underneath and make for cleaner throwing lanes (and probably running lanes, particularly if the back can get to the second level). This would help everyone in my opinion.

 

Like I said, give Cam a Hilton and watch those fickle tunes begin to change.  People can say what they want, but Cam has made better decisions than Luck this year protecting the ball.  

[MCC]

Some of you dumb fugs think you can fix an entire roster in one offseason in the salary cap era and that's just not how it is.

I'm pretty sure we would sign a TY Hilton like player if we could...

[teeray]

Here's the thing about the Luck vs Cam argument.

The reason it exists is because many Panthers fans wanted Andrew Luck over Cam... even after Cam was drafted.

Cam had the greatest rookie year of any QB in NFL history. For Panther fans, for some reason, they took it personally that Luck didn't come out of college... even though Cam has wanted to play here. Cam is the heel. Luck is the darling. But Panthers have a particular hate towards Andrew Luck that Colts fans.. don't have for Cam. Because they don't feel shafted by Cam Newton... they don't pay any attention to him. Only Panther fans are tracking every move that Andrew Luck because their feelings are still hurt.

Andrew Luck is a great QB... but so is Cam Newton. They both have weaknesses and they both have areas of strength.

But here is where the comparisons end. Andrew Luck has what Cam has failed to get after 3 years... support.

The Colts are built around Andrew Luck's abilities. Because they know how to support a quarterback (see Peyton Manning). This organization has not given Cam what he needs to succeed. And as much as I think that Luke is a wonderful captain of the defense... Cam has NOT been provided with the tools or the personnel that can maximize his strengths. Two offensive coordinators with two different philosophies... retiring o-line, new WR corps (who wasn't that good anyway)....

Having said that... we're still 3-2 on top of the NFC South. Cam has played hurt and the defense has been off-track. Cam's numbers will not look like Andrew Lucks numbers this year because he's missed a game, played hurt, offensive side of the ball has suffered injuries to RB's and receivers... with a spotty line at best.... ??

Man GTFOH

I don't care about Andrew Luck. I stopped caring about him the minute we drafted our quarterback. Worry about what who we have and putting our team in a consistent position to succeed.

Doing to Andrew Luck what everybody else does to Cam wont change anything.

I can only speak for myself. It has nothing to do with Luck going back to school. Most of my irritation is actually directed at the media, and toward Luck as a player