"Wide receiver is not a problem" [Phrase should be banned]

[top dawg]

Stop being fairweather our w.r is way better then last year

 

That is already a given, and has been discussed including in the OP.  Furthermore, the thread has absolutely nothing to do with being fair weather.

[Squirrel]

Next year WR class is deep.  Dont see us picking one in the first but defiantly will get a Speed type receiver in teh 2nd or 3rd. 

[FootballMaestro]

The same can be said for Newton and the almighty Luck.  

 

That's the point.

 

Most general fans, think Luck is better than he actually is. And you can probably argue, most think Newton is worse than he actually is. And it's all due to unbalanced media coverage.

 

Russell Wilson's good within the system he plays. However, he's not nearly as polished a QB as many in the media believe.

 

It was similar with RG3 and Kaepernick. It's their systems and situations that make them look good. Take away Lynch, and the funky offense they run, and have Wilson sit in the pocket and survey the field, and he struggles.

 

Because of Seattle's (and subsequently Wilson's) success, no one talks about it much. But Wilson is not a good pocket QB. He throws quick, slants and digs, and then scrambles around the first sign his receivers are covered. Yes, he buys time well. However, that doesn't make him an advanced passer, pocket passer as many in the media would leave many of us to believe. Plus, he relies big time on his run game and trick plays (mind you his "scoring defense"). Take that away from him, and he'd look quite ordinary.

 

[Jeremy Igo]

Any QB playing in a Shula offense should be given a 6 point QBR handicap.

[top dawg]

That's the point.

 

Most general fans, think Luck is better than he actually is. And you can probably argue, most think Newton is worse than he actually is. And it's all due to unbalanced media coverage.

 

Russell Wilson's good within the system he plays. However, he's not nearly as polished a QB as many in the media believe.

 

It was similar with RG3 and Kaepernick. It's their systems and situations that make them look good. Take away Lynch, and the funky offense they run, and have Wilson sit in the pocket and survey the field, and he struggles.

 

Because of Seattle's (and subsequently Wilson's) success, no one talks about it much. But Wilson is not a good pocket QB. He throws quick, slants and digs, and then scrambles around the first sign his receivers are covered. Yes, he buys time well. However, that doesn't make him an advanced passer, pocket passer as many in the media would leave many of us to believe. Plus, he relies big time on his run game and trick plays (mind you his "scoring defense"). Take that away from him, and he'd look quite ordinary.

 

 

I agree with your points on Luck and Cam, though I really can't reconcile your point on Wilson with what I am interpreting from the PFF links that I shared earlier in this thread.  I just can't.  Wilson is being pressured quite a bit, and as such HAS to leave the pocket, but if he were able to stay in the pocket, he would probably do much better than you think.

[Kevin Greene]

Any QB playing in a Shula offense should be given a 6 point QBR handicap.

 

It's an interesting parallel in New York with Rex Ryan.

An excellent defensive coach who just can't get over the hump on the offensive side of the ball.

He had a lot of success early even with a tightly reined Mark Sanchez at QB, we're talking back to back AFC Conference Championship appearances.

It's been a slow slide into the dumpster since then with bad OCs and his job in question..

Ron Rivera is the same guy, except Cam Newton may allow him to be successful despite his choices on OCs.

Will Ron wake up and smell the flowers eventually?

[Soul Rebel]

Stephen Hill by game 8 would be ideal, but definitely not holding my breath.  6'4"/215/4.3 40-time/23 years old opposite KB to stretch the field and run 7 & 9 routes would be ideal.  The west coast offense that he was in while in NY needs crisp route runners and eats up timing routes in the short and intermediate game.  Our system needs good route runners, but also depends on being able to air it out deep and take off big chunks.  If Ricky can work his magic, I'd say we have two starters set.  

 

Again, that "if" is a huge 'if', so let's see what happens.  We have a top-10 passing offense and need to focus more on the running game than passing right now.   

[ricardo22compleano]

That's the point.

Most general fans, think Luck is better than he actually is. And you can probably argue, most think Newton is worse than he actually is. And it's all due to unbalanced media coverage.

Russell Wilson's good within the system he plays. However, he's not nearly as polished a QB as many in the media believe.

It was similar with RG3 and Kaepernick. It's their systems and situations that make them look good. Take away Lynch, and the funky offense they run, and have Wilson sit in the pocket and survey the field, and he struggles.

Because of Seattle's (and subsequently Wilson's) success, no one talks about it much. But Wilson is not a good pocket QB. He throws quick, slants and digs, and then scrambles around the first sign his receivers are covered. Yes, he buys time well. However, that doesn't make him an advanced passer, pocket passer as many in the media would leave many of us to believe. Plus, he relies big time on his run game and trick plays (mind you his "scoring defense"). Take that away from him, and he'd look quite ordinary.

they always wanna hate on cam because his strong personality , and love luck because he is some smart white guy

[*FreeFua*]

It's an interesting parallel in New York with Rex Ryan.

An excellent defensive coach who just can't get over the hump on the offensive side of the ball.

He had a lot of success early even with a tightly reined Mark Sanchez at QB, we're talking back to back AFC Conference Championship appearances.

It's been a slow slide into the dumpster since then with bad OCs and his job in question..

Ron Rivera is the same guy, except Cam Newton may allow him to be successful despite his choices on OCs.

Will Ron wake up and smell the flowers eventually?

Good comparison. Due to Cam's ability he's been able to hide alot of this teams deficiencies.

[FootballMaestro]

I agree with your points on Luck and Cam, though I really can't reconcile your point on Wilson with what I am interpreting from the PFF links that I shared earlier in this thread.  I just can't.  Wilson is being pressured quite a bit, and as such HAS to leave the pocket, but if he were able to stay in the pocket, he would probably do much better than you think.

 

Yeah, the problem is you rarely see Wilson willingly sit in the pocket. He's always running around when his first or second read is taken away.

 

Just because PFF say's it takes him 3.15 secs to throw, doesn't mean he wasn't moving around the first sign of his receivers being covered. This is the problem with only looking at statistics, and not the actual game or film.

 

Don't get me wrong. I like Wilson. However, just as with RG3 and Kapernick (who I called overrated from their first and 2nd years, and unpolished pocket passers), I said the same about Wilson, though he's better than them.

 

No disrespect to Wilson. But his situation is far different than Luck's and Cam. Yes, many of us, like to use Wilson (since the media is riding high with him when his team does well) as a hammer against Luck's oft times ridiculous praise. However, this has the reverse affect of Wilson being overrated. Which I think he is. Luck and Cam are better. However, if the media wants to overrate Luck, I can see some fans would want to "overrate Wilson" to say he's better than Luck. Lol

 

Put Wilson on The Panthers Cam's rookie season, and I think they win 3 games. Put Wilson on the Panthers now, and I feel they/he would struggle. Be honest now, think about it? Never forget the crutch that Wilson has with Marshawn Lynch, mind you the various trick offenses they run to protect Wilson, and get off his throws. Remember, Wilson would be playing under Mike Shula. Lol

[FootballMaestro]

they always wanna hate on cam because his strong personality , and love luck because he is some smart white guy

 

I don't even think Cam has a "strong personality". It's just something about him they don't like (Auburn, Florida; unproven allegations regarding his father; Cam mostly not talking to media). I dunno. Pick one. They're very petty, and obviously don't care to be fair.

 

The guys Doesn't, smoke, drink or cuss. He dresses well and professional. Stays out of trouble. Never criticizes his team, coaches or management (even when he had reason to do so). Works hard to get better. Loves to work with kids. And does it all with a smile, while having fun. What's there not to like?

 

I've watched media discuss Kaepernick, Wilson, Luck and even RG3's teams. And it's obvious they know more than 3 people on the team (and what's going on behind the scenes). However, when I hear "National Media" discuss the The Panthers; the only person they can talk about is Cam Newton, and/or the alleged and never existent "Run Game", Ball Control Offense". So it's obvious, they really don't know or follow the team. Lol.  So therefore, they're unfit to discuss anything Panthers, but they do it anyway. And since they don't follow the team, Cam gets the brunt of the criticism. You rarely hear national media talk about anything/anyone else on the Panthers, besides Cam. This is even true, when Rivera, Chud, etc., were blowing numerous games Newton's first 2 1/2 seasons. But it was still Cam's fault.

 

I would love to ask many of these national broadcasters and commentators, "name me 2 guys on the Panthers not named Rivera, Newton and Keuchly". Just two please. Lol

[shreddingdefense]

So your still butthurt that steve is no longer a panther? Move on please.  Fix the oline and everyone will look good.

[top dawg]

Well, we can agree that Cam is underrated.  I mean, anyone that has followed Cam and is truthful about what he has had to deal with (and overcome) should be able to see his growth.  It's like the light came on during the streak and he has been progressing ever since.  Even this year---due to the injury or not---is indicative of Cam's further development.  That's why it irks me so much when people make say with such absoluteness that Luck is greater than Cam.  Even many Panthers fans just don't appreciate him.  Give Cam another play maker, better protection, and I could easily see him outdoing Luck if all things were equal because he has learned to go through his progressions, make reads, and most importantly protect the ball (where to me, at least, it's obvious that Cam is ahead of Luck).

[top dawg]

So your still butthurt that steve is no longer a panther? Move on please.  Fix the oline and everyone will look good.

 

 

This, from the first mention of Smitty in this thread.  Dude, you've got to be kidding me.