The KEY to Winning Sunday (Key Stat)

[top dawg]

Kinda hard to focus on staying in the pocket with the D-line in your front pocket.  As for at least one of the fumbles, the edge rusher was in his back pocket unbeknownst to Cam.  P-55, overall it has hardly been Cam's fault for fumbling, and I believe he has focused on getting the ball out quicker, but he also has to wait for receivers to get open and make proper reads with people breathing in his face 40 percent of the time.

[panthers55]

Yep, Cam takes a sack behind his ZERO OL and "he" has costed us 9 points... Smh

Your hate for Cam is so obvious and just sad.

Obviously you have no clue about me or you would know that I have been one of his biggest supporters since he was drafted when I was one of the first to support us drafting him.  The difference between me and you is that I can be honest and objective about the positives and negatives of our team and our players and you obviously don't have that ability.  I like Cam a ton and am happy we have him.  But I still don't like how he holds the ball and won't throw it away.  Look at how Russell Wilson was under extreme pressure last game and he found a way to throw it away and keep drives alive while Cam last week cost us a sure field goal in a very tight game taking a sack on third down when he could have thrown it away.  I could see the blitz coming so I doubt he couldn't as well.

 

Either watch more football and understand what you are seeing or stop making threads that make it painfully clear what little you know.

[*FreeFua*]

Obviously you have no clue about me or you would know that I have been one of his biggest supporters since he was drafted when I was one of the first to support us drafting him. The difference between me and you is that I can be honest and objective about the positives and negatives of our team and our players and you obviously don't have that ability. I like Cam a ton and am happy we have him. But I still don't like how he holds the ball and won't throw it away. Look at how Russell Wilson was under extreme pressure last game and he found a way to throw it away and keep drives alive while Cam last week cost us a sure field goal in a very tight game taking a sack on third down when he could have thrown it away. I could see the blitz coming so I doubt he couldn't as well.

Either watch more football and understand what you are seeing or stop making threads that make it painfully clear what little you know.

You blame Cam for these sacks and points being lost and tell me I need to understand what I'm watching...

You refuse to factor in the play call, and the OL. How many times have we all been mad because Shula calls a long developing play on 3rd down? Or Bell and Amini blow a simple assignment like they did on Sunday? There's many other factors it seems you refuse to acknowledge and rather just blame Cam.

Russell Wilson is a different style of QB than Cam. Cam is more Big Ben where he'll sometimes take a sack and sometimes what would be a sack into a great play. You take the good with the bad. Ben has 2 superbowls so It's worked for him.

[Nick_81]

Anyway, here's Cincy's/Dalton's stats on 3rd down this season:

- 13/44 (29.5%) on 3rd down conversions, ranks dead last in the NFL

- This next stat isn't a complete/incomplete pass stat. This is pass attempts by Dalton on 3rd down that have resulted in 1st downs. Dalton is 8/31 (25.8%) ranks last for all QB's.

So the key to Sunday's game is to force the Bengals into 3rd down passing situations. Have Luke take out Gio and have Sanzenbacher, Sanu and Tate try and beat you.

While I'm at it, Carolina is 28/66 (42.4%) on 3rd down conversions. Cam is 19/39 (48.7%) on passing for 1st downs on 3rd down ranking him 10th. Annnnnnd fwiw Russell Wilson is last in the NFC in this category with a percentage of 34.6 (9/26).

For some reason I broke down their offensive scoring this season, in another thread, and it goes right along with their lack of success on 3rd downs.  37.1% of the Bengals 97 points this season, have came from field goals.  That's an insanely high percentage.  You'd think there's no way they've only lost 1 game kicking so much.  Since I looked at theirs, I had to look at ours.  10.6% of our 104 points have came from FG's.  This is a very winnable game for us, and I agree with your key points.  

[panthers55]

You blame Cam for these sacks and points being lost and tell me I need to understand what I'm watching...

You refuse to factor in the play call, and the OL. How many times have we all been mad because Shula calls a long developing play on 3rd down? Or Bell and Amini blow a simple assignment like they did on Sunday? There's many other factors it seems you refuse to acknowledge and rather just blame Cam.

Russell Wilson is a different style of QB than Cam. Cam is more Big Ben where he'll sometimes take a sack and sometimes what would be a sack into a great play. You take the good with the bad. Ben has 2 superbowls so It's worked for him.

Wrong on all accounts like usual. You and others on here have to stop the linear black and white thinking on here and start thinking more abstractly and globally. Saying Cam should stop holding the ball and throw it away more isn't blaming him for everything and giving the OL and play calling a pass. There are issues for sure. But ignoring an issue that has been there for 4 years even when we had an o line and Chud was calling plays is just another example of your myopic view of things.

Again watch more football and gain a bigger perspective and then you might see that Cam is not perfect and has plenty of room to grow.

What is ironic is that if you were discussing this with him he would agree with me 100%. One of things I like the most about him is that he sees his issues and works to solve them instead of trying to find an easy scapegoat like folks like you.

[*FreeFua*]

Wrong on all accounts like usual. You and others on here have to stop the linear black and white thinking on here and start thinking more abstractly and globally. Saying Cam should stop holding the ball and throw it away more isn't blaming him for everything and giving the OL and play calling a pass. There are issues for sure. But ignoring an issue that has been there for 4 years even when we had an o line and Chud was calling plays is just another example of your myopic view of things.

Again watch more football and gain a bigger perspective and then you might see that Cam is not perfect and has plenty of room to grow.

What is ironic is that if you were discussing this with him he would agree with me 100%. One of things I like the most about him is that he sees his issues and works to solve them instead of trying to find an easy scapegoat like folks like you.

Atleast pretend like you're mature enough to have a discussion without the condescending bs. You keep bringing up him holding the ball after I already said his style of play is like Ben's. Cam is a playmaker, his first reaction is to try and make something happen. Is it better if sometimes he doesn't? Of course. But are we all happy when he has one of his famous runs like against the Pats last season or Washington his rookie year? Yes.

You take the good with the bad. Those big time plays don't happen if Cam just throws the ball away. So yes, there are times him being a playmaker hurts us but then there are times we benefit. Obviously Cam isn't perfect, NO ONE IS.

[teeray]

I agree keeping them behind the chains is key

[panthers55]

Atleast pretend like you're mature enough to have a discussion without the condescending bs. You keep bringing up him holding the ball after I already said his style of play is like Ben's. Cam is a playmaker, his first reaction is to try and make something happen. Is it better if sometimes he doesn't? Of course. But are we all happy when he has one of his famous runs like against the Pats last season or Washington his rookie year? Yes.

You take the good with the bad. Those big time plays don't happen if Cam just throws the ball away. So yes, there are times him being a playmaker hurts us but then there are times we benefit. Obviously Cam isn't perfect, NO ONE IS.

Once again let's stop talking about yesteryear and focus on the present. Right now he can't run like the Cam of old and probably shouldn't. He is good enough to win from the pocket but he needs to resist the bad habits he has developed that his extreme athleticism rescued him in the past. Like when he tries to avoid sacks he turns his back to the field and by the time he turns around the rush is closing in and he can't find a receiver instead of facing the rush and throwing the ball away to work on the next down. Sure when Cam is 100% and back to his amazing ways we can have that discussion. Until then he needs to do what he can to avoid negative plays. That isn't hard to understand. And it doesn't require perfection simply recognition of where he is at at this point. Hopefully he won't be as rigid as you seem to be and can figure it out. I don't know why you feel the need to make excuses for him. We all recognize that he is still catching up from all the time he missed and doing a fine job in most aspects.

[Mojo]

I think if we can rattle Dalton's confidence early things will go well.  He doesn't seem to pick himself back up very quickly confidence wise.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

I think if we can rattle Dalton's confidence early things will go well. He doesn't seem to pick himself back up very quickly confidence wise.

This is a good point. Our front 4 have to get some pass rush and get in Daltons face

[*FreeFua*]

Once again let's stop talking about yesteryear and focus on the present. Right now he can't run like the Cam of old and probably shouldn't. He is good enough to win from the pocket but he needs to resist the bad habits he has developed that his extreme athleticism rescued him in the past. Like when he tries to avoid sacks he turns his back to the field and by the time he turns around the rush is closing in and he can't find a receiver instead of facing the rush and throwing the ball away to work on the next down. Sure when Cam is 100% and back to his amazing ways we can have that discussion. Until then he needs to do what he can to avoid negative plays. That isn't hard to understand. And it doesn't require perfection simply recognition of where he is at at this point. Hopefully he won't be as rigid as you seem to be and can figure it out. I don't know why you feel the need to make excuses for him. We all recognize that he is still catching up from all the time he missed and doing a fine job in most aspects.

Solid post and I agree with mostly everything. It's obvious he doesn't have full mobility in his ankle yet and that's playing A factor into some of these sacks that he would normally be able to avoid.

[pstall]

Have to get an early lead and protect the ball. Avoid 2nd and 3rd and long.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Obviously we need to win the turnover battle in order to win but Dalton doesn't throw many bad balls. He'll throw the ball away or check it down before taking a gamble downfield. Dalton has only thrown 1 interception so far this season.

I also want to add I hope Cam is ready to move around in the pocket. Our OL vs anyone's DL matchup will never favor us but Cincy isn't afraid to bring pressure

Over the past two seasons dalton has averaged a INT a game. 16 in 2012 20 in 2013. He most certainly does make bad decisions with the football