Are We Headed for a Fire Sale?

[caatfan]

"Are We Headed for a Fire Sale?"

No, we're headed for game 6, and I'm only interested in who can play on Sunday.

[Snake]

He was exceptional last year. Also think he goes all out when he steps on a football field.

Do I trust his decision making when he isn't on a football field? No. I am not a fan of giving those guys big contracts that handicap teams. Especially when the team that is debating him has a roster full of very young talent his deal could jeopardize their ability to keep.

Hardy has been in less trouble than Steve Smith and that worked out for us. Just saying...

[Snake]

I think there's a good chance Hardy resigns on a (relatively) cheap one year deal this offseason. He's most likely not going to get the big long term deal he wants and he knows this is probably the best place to re-establish his value.

I think you might be underestimating the market for a premier DE. He is still going to get a large pay day because of what he brings.

[CRA]

Hardy has been in less trouble than Steve Smith and that worked out for us. Just saying...

Apples and oranges IMO

89 wasn't a concern away from the field. He was a concern only in a football environment. So at least with 89 his poor choices were made in an environment you could be aware of.

Hardy is the opposite. He isn't a worry once you get him into the building. He is a worry outside....and most of his time is outside

So dishing out a handicapping deal to those two brings different worries IMO.

[TheWiz]

Bruuuuhhh....

 

Come away from the proverbial ledge.

 

Last year were 2-3, coming off a 1-3 start.

 

Chilllllll son.

[Jangler]

who wants burned up stuff?

[thefuzz]

No, we are trying to get out from under the brutal reign of Hurney.

 

 

As soon as we can cut DWill (this offseason) and Stew (next offseason), as well as lower CJ's cap number, either by cutting or restructure (hate that word) we will be in better shape.

 

 

We need to start looking for our next TE, and C though, both of them will be getting long in the tooth.  We have to extend Cam (most likely this offseason), and start clearing space for Luke, and either Short or Star.  If we continue to have a good eye out for vets (DG has been very good at this), and drafting well, we will be in a good place in a year or two.

[LinvilleGorge]

Star was a first round pick, so we'll probably pick up his option.  We'll have to extend Short before Star.

[lightsout]

Star will be fine, I think. Dude is being gameplanned against up front, hence why Short is having a great year so far and is head and shoulders above our other DTs. Once teams start having to account for both at all times (you can't without giving up second level blocking), we'll see the Star that we saw last year, I believe.

[heel31ok]

The part that bugs me is that we're going to have to spend some high draft picks to keep our defense strong, and our offense will keep ailing because of it. We will need DEs for sure, and we'll also need an LB and S and maybe a CB or two.

 

we have needed a CB or two for the last 5 years. I think DE's are a lot easier to get as well as LB's.

 

[CRA]

Star will be fine, I think. Dude is being gameplanned against up front, hence why Short is having a great year so far and is head and shoulders above our other DTs. Once teams start having to account for both at all times (you can't without giving up second level blocking), we'll see the Star that we saw last year, I believe.

You are selling Short short IMO. He isn't making plays bc of attention on Star....he was regarded as the best pass rushing DT in his draft for a reason

[Anybodyhome]

So if you're keeping score at home, the Hardy topic has now gone from "Greg is innocent! There hasn't been a jury trial!" to "If he did it, I'd forgive him." to "If he did it, great! Gives this team some personality!"

 

I never mentioned innocence or guilt anywhere in my post. This is the NFL, where neither of those matters. All there needs to be is an accusation and you're on the shi* list. If calling Hardy a "bad boy" is translated by you to mean "guilty" ..... 

 

[Snake]

Apples and oranges IMO

89 wasn't a concern away from the field. He was a concern only in a football environment. So at least with 89 his poor choices were made in an environment you could be aware of.

Hardy is the opposite. He isn't a worry once you get him into the building. He is a worry outside....and most of his time is outside

So dishing out a handicapping deal to those two brings different worries IMO.

Hitting teammates not once but twice yea totally different.

[heel31ok]

Coming into the season, it was plain to see who the core of this team was and where our allegiances lie. But five games in we are looking at new additions and subtractions from that core list of players we thought were the core.

Here is the list of the perceived core of players coming into the season from what I have gathered from most accounts.

Cam

Kalil

Olsen

Tolbert

Luke

CJ

Star

Hardy

TD

Now that the season is 1/3 over, Hardy is in the doghouse and possibly on the way out. CJ is injury riddled with a sharp decline in production with a monster salary. Star has bit the sophomore wall and his counterpart Short is surging ahead. Tolbert, even when healthy was looking pedestrian and easily replaceable. Even Kalil is playing like any other center on any other team...albeit he is the leader of our rag-tag, fugitive fleet of molsters so he kinda gets a pass.

Besides Luke, Cam, Olsen and maybe Short, who are the other safe bets to truly build around to keep this team from getting blown up and turned into a dumpster sale?

I'd be more than willing to keep the Kraken, knowing full-well he's learned some mighty tough lessons and a serious bit to his stock as another DV citation will see him out of the league and off the payroll for good. He's simply too valuable to just let walk away.

I truly feel big Frank can replace big money (CJ,) at the other end because Rivera and Gettleman are choosing to stick with him. CJ has a ton to prove he's worth keeping and with injuries mounting and a young Kony Ealy being mentored and developed, CJ could be odd man out with or without the return and possible signing of Hardy.

What's keeping this team from getting gutted aside from the rookie contracts already on the books? Cam and Luke can walk away if they want in a couple years and we only have one franchise tag to issue so there's really no guarantee we can keep them both but I will wager that DG and JR are willing to cut and cheap sale trade any and all other non-rookie contract players to keep these guys paid and on the roster.

In 2016 we could reasonably only have Cam, Luke, Benjamin, Turner, Star, Short, Kalil and Benewikere as hold-over starters from this year's team. Granted, that's a strong core but how much closer to a Super Bowl will that get us and how many more home runs are we gonna need in the draft and via FA is it gonna take?

Are we in danger of losing Cam or Luke and falling off the cliff for the forseeable future?

as long as G-man is GM we will always be headed for a fire sale.