Greg Cosell's Week 5 analysis: Cam Newton's improvement is clear

[Lumps]

I couldn't agree more. There is a group of posters on here that I swear are related to cam. (Or at least are related in their imagination). I mean come on, I love the fact that cam is the panthers qb but he is not perfect.

These are Cam fanboys. They weren't here before Cam and won't be here after. Yes, it's fuging annoying.

[OneBadCat]

fug Greg Cosell and his backhanded compliment BS. Time for some real talk. People don't want to give Cam the credit he deserves because it would prove their perceptions wrong. Yes Cam is better in the pocket this year but he's been a pocket passer his whole career. He's never been a QB that relied on his legs. That is complete crap. Some in media just flat out don't like his personality because he's confident and he believes himself. He's gotten better towing the line as he's gained more experience in the league. But to be honest I prefer Cam's genuine emotion to the game over Russell Wilson's obvious " I say everything perfect in post game interview" horse crap. It's just as obnoxious and disingenuous as anything Cam's ever done. 

[Pox 08]

We have Luck homers on this board and Wilson homers.

 

 

You can tell who they are when they start blasting other Panther fans for being Cam homers.

[MedellinHeel]

We have Luck homers on this board and Wilson homers.

 

 

You can tell who they are when they start blasting other Panther fans for being Cam homers.

 

No homerism in saying Wilson has played better than Cam. 

 

Luck over Cam? Yes that is debatable. 

[ChinaPanther]

 

Wilson is just better than Cam (or at least preformed better regardless of circumstances) and there is really no disputing that (at this point in their careers) 

 

Career QB Rating 

 

Wilson - 102 (Never had below a 100 in any point in his career)

Cam - 87 ( Never been been over 100 in any point of his career, even with how well he is playing this year he is still below 100 at 94.6)

 

Career Completion %

 

Wilson - 64%

Cam - 59%

 

TD's (Both Passing & Rushing) Since 2012 (When both were playing)

 

Wilson - 66

Cam - 62

 

Rushing Average

 

Wilson - 5.6

Cam - 5.5

 

Interceptions Since 2012

 

Wilson - 20

Cam - 26

 

Win / Loss Record Since 2012

 

Wilson  31 - 10

Cam 21 - 16

 

Superbowl Rings

 

Wilson - 1 

Cam - 0

 

Now this doesn't mean Cam can't eclipse him. Both a darn good young QB's. But right now Wilson is just on a different level. 

 

It's not about analyzing stats Medellin. It's about analyzing play. By using your stats right there, you would have to say that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck. Most NFL GM's would disagree. with you. As a pocket QB right now, Cam is better.

[MedellinHeel]

   

It's not about analyzing stats Medellin. It's about analyzing play. By using your stats right there, you would have to say that Russell Wilson is better than Andrew Luck. Most NFL GM's would disagree. with you. As a pocket QB right now, Cam is better.

 

You are confusing playing / played better and potential. 

 

Wilson has without doubt played better than Luck. Luck like Cam probably has more upside than Wilson. 

 

You can debate who has more upside but you can not debate who has played better / been a better QB to date. 

 

How is Cam a better pocket passer? Wilson is more accurate, better decision maker, more passing TD's, less interceptions, moves better in the pocket / evades pressure. 

[Marguide]

You are confusing playing / played better and potential. 

 

Wilson has without doubt played better than Luck. Luck like Cam probably has more upside than Wilson. 

 

You can debate who has more upside but you can not debate who has played better / been a better QB to date. 

 

How is Cam a better pocket passer? Wilson is more accurate, better decision maker, more passing TD's, less interceptions, moves better in the pocket / evades pressure. 

 

There's no doubt Russell is damn good. I think Cam is too. And yes, Luck is as well.

 

You just can't fully evaluate these guys in a vacuum though. They are too dependent on their supporting casts. Case in point: how much better would Cam's outing have been against Chicago if Kelvin B. decided to actually show up that day? With a little better offensive line, would Cam's numbers be higher? What kind of numbers would Luck put up if he played with a great D like Seattle's? Conversely, how would Wilson look in Indy's offense?

 

So I think it's fair to say Wilson has put up better numbers than Cam (indisputable really), but it may not be accurate to say that Wilson has played better than Cam or better than Luck. There are just too many variables involved.

[CelticCat]

All 3 are simply great QB's. To argue otherwise is petty.

 

Seattle are very well coached and are loaded with talent, they have had the better team and coaching over their careers so far IMO. The way they call plays there really help Wilson be extremely efficient.

 

Can you imagine what Luck or Cam in Seattle would look like? They'd be just as dominant as they are with Wilson, maybe even more.

[MedellinHeel]

There's no doubt Russell is damn good. I think Cam is too. And yes, Luck is as well.

 

You just can't fully evaluate these guys in a vacuum though. They are too dependent on their supporting casts. Case in point: how much better would Cam's outing have been against Chicago if Kelvin B. decided to actually show up that day? With a little better offensive line, would Cam's numbers be higher? What kind of numbers would Luck put up if he played with a great D like Seattle's? Conversely, how would Wilson look in Indy's offense?

 

So I think it's fair to say Wilson has put up better numbers than Cam (indisputable really), but it may not be accurate to say that Wilson has played better than Cam or better than Luck. There are just too many variables involved.

 

Sure thats why who has more potential is actually debatable. All we can go on in what we have and what has occurred. 

 

Numbers & wins = how someone has played 

 

Wilson has played better than Cam on nearly every metric imaginable. 

[CelticCat]

There's no doubt Russell is damn good. I think Cam is too. And yes, Luck is as well.

 

You just can't fully evaluate these guys in a vacuum though. They are too dependent on their supporting casts. Case in point: how much better would Cam's outing have been against Chicago if Kelvin B. decided to actually show up that day? With a little better offensive line, would Cam's numbers be higher? What kind of numbers would Luck put up if he played with a great D like Seattle's? Conversely, how would Wilson look in Indy's offense?

 

So I think it's fair to say Wilson has put up better numbers than Cam (indisputable really), but it may not be accurate to say that Wilson has played better than Cam or better than Luck. There are just too many variables involved.

 

Yeah, think about it in simpler terms.

 

Russell is like a 200 yards a game guy

Cam is like a 250 yards a game guy

Luck is like a 300 yards a game guy

 

All guys being equal you'd expect Russell to be more efficient, you'd expect Luck to have the yards and TD's and Cam to be somewhere in the middle.

[ChinaPanther]

You are confusing playing / played better and potential. 

 

Wilson has without doubt played better than Luck. Luck like Cam probably has more upside than Wilson. 

 

You can debate who has more upside but you can not debate who has played better / been a better QB to date. 

 

How is Cam a better pocket passer? Wilson is more accurate, better decision maker, more passing TD's, less interceptions, moves better in the pocket / evades pressure. 

Wilson's strength is his feet and elusiveness, he is very accurate and he can get rid of the ball pretty quickly but the difference in between Cam and RW is that Cam can make throws that RW has no chance of making and the main reason for that is Cam's height and throwing platform and arm strength. Russell is perfect for the WCO scheme that Seattle employs which has a lot short passing but don't get me wrong. Russell can hit intermediate and deep routes with accuracy. The difference in between RW and Cam is Cam could be in the scheme that Seattle uses. He'd have to work on his accuracy but the way he's throwing now he could get away with it. There is no chance in hell RW could be in our scheme. He would be terrible in our scheme. There will always be throws that Cam Newton can make that Russell Wilson cannot. That's why Cam is better. 

[Marguide]

Sure thats why who has more potential is actually debatable. All we can go on in what we have and what has occurred. 

 

Numbers & wins = how someone has played 

 

Wilson has played better than Cam on nearly every metric imaginable. 

 

Leave Cam out of it for a minute.

 

Envision Wilson in Indy's offense where he would be asked to throw the ball up to 45 times a game, often needing to come from behind to get the win. Do you think he would thrive in that environment? 

 

So no, you can't say Wilson has played better than Luck (or Newton) in any kind of definitive way. All you can say is he has put up the best numbers given the situation he's in.

 

All that being said, I'd take any of them on my team in a heartbeat. Cam is my guy, but I respect Wilson and Luck too. The only thing that turns most of us off to the other guys is the horrible treatment Cam gets by the media. 

[MedellinHeel]

Leave Cam out of it for a minute.

 

Envision Wilson in Indy's offense where he would be asked to throw the ball up to 45 times a game, often needing to come from behind to get the win. Do you think he would thrive in that environment? 

 

So no, you can't say Wilson has played better than Luck (or Newton) in any kind of definitive way. All you can say is he has put up the best numbers given the situation he's in.

 

All that being said, I'd take any of them on my team in a heartbeat. Cam is my guy, but I respect Wilson and Luck too. The only thing that turns most of us off to the other guys is the horrible treatment Cam gets by the media. 

 

Yes I think Wilson would thrive in any environment. He is a great decision maker and is very accurate. You cant play man on him or he will kill you with his legs. 

 

But then again that is pure speculation just like you are speculating what he can and can not do / thrive in. 

 

We can only go on what we know and can see. 

 

So yes I can still say Wilson has played better than Luck and Cam and their is no debating that. 

[MedellinHeel]

Wilson's strength is his feet and elusiveness, he is very accurate and he can get rid of the ball pretty quickly but the difference in between Cam and RW is that Cam can make throws that RW has no chance of making and the main reason for that is Cam's height and throwing platform and arm strength. Russell is perfect for the WCO scheme that Seattle employs which has a lot short passing but don't get me wrong. Russell can hit intermediate and deep routes with accuracy. The difference in between RW and Cam is Cam could be in the scheme that Seattle uses. He'd have to work on his accuracy but the way he's throwing now he could get away with it. There is no chance in hell RW could be in our scheme. He would be terrible in our scheme. There will always be throws that Cam Newton can make that Russell Wilson cannot. That's why Cam is better. 

 

Give me an exact example in a game of a throw Cam made that Wilson has never made