The guys at Black and Blue Review are as horrified by this NFLN piece as I am

[PantherFanOne]

The Cam hate is alive and well. Colin Cowherd just said Nolan Nawrocki was right about Cam, that he has a big ego, and hasn't done anything

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Colin Cowherd ???? who in the world listens to that nerdy geek??? I can't stand the sound of that weirdos voice, he also has a face that belongs on radio.

[TonyN]

Duh.

The Read Option aids Wilson, RG3 and Kaeperdick, and thus inflates their passing stats. They're not asked to carry their team with their arm, they're asking them to manage the game and be the dual threat they drafted them for. Here's where it differs with them and Cam, unlike those other three Cam is 80% of our offense and is clearly doing more with less on the offensive side of the ball while being asked to stay in the pocket more and more. Benjamin and Olsen are a start but all young QBs need a run game, protection and security blankets. Yes, even Peyton Manning did.

Judging what pundits say, Foles and Smith are relevant to this discussion because they're viewed as precision passers just because they make conservative plays. Call it what you want but throwing for 5,000 yards and having a high completion percentage and QBR doesn't make a QB 'elite'. By those standards, Favre and Brady wouldn't have been considered top tier today.

You're actually comparing Rivers (a 10 year veteran) to Cam? Just stop. Newton is entering his fourth season and still developing. Cam has yet to even reach his ceiling and enter his prime. That'd be like comparing Teddy Bridgewater to Cam. It makes zero sense.

 

 

First you said Newton's stats were skewed because the Panthers were a run oriented team.

 

Now you are saying Newton's numbers aren't as good as Kap's and Wilson's because he is being asked to win games from the pocket. Which is it ???

 

Was Newton not a threat in the run game the last three years ??? And yet he has never finished higher than 15th in NFL passer rating.

 

Carolina is passing on 60% of its offensive plays this season. That's the 11th highest figure in the entire league, even higher than that of the dreaded Colts and the hated Andrew Luck. Imagine that. 

 

And yet, people will argue that Cam is not being "unleashed" by Shula. 

 

Passing on 60% of your offensive plays and yet completing a low percentage of those passes is a recipe for an ineffective offense. 

 

As far as experience goes, it is time to stop acting as if Newton is a rookie.

 

The man has made 52 career starts. Start looking at numbers for Quarterbacks after they have made 52 career starts. 

 

To put it into perspective, Roger Staubach only made 114 starts in his entire Hall of Fame career. 

[SCP]

The fact that this asshole talked about Cam's post game outfit selections totally negates all the other bullshit in that piece. The guy was in a fuging tshirt on his couch critiquing Cam's choice of clothing. What in the actual fug does that have to do with anything?

[Donald LaFell]

I don't get it, he says he knows he's being unfair but he keeps making the critiques? What is he trying to say exactly? 

 

Also Luck and Wilson didn't have far less talent, he's just being silly. Especially Wislon, The Seahawks were one more probowler away from having the 2000 Ravens defense. 

[CRA]

now when I started a thread months ago about how this dude was hating on Cam, many here said, "NOOOO, he loves Cam!!"...eat it!! everybody hates Cam, not because he's Cam but because he's a Panther!

Cam gets hate bc he is Cam.

Name a player that recieved more scrutiny than Cam entering the league that was drafted in the first round in recent memory.

[cookinbrak]

He was saying that Luck and Wilson, the 2 qbs, have less talent than Cam. Not that the teams have less talent.

[cbully]

Cam gets hate bc he is Cam.

Name a player that recieved more scrutiny than Cam entering the league that was drafted in the first round in recent memory.

maybe but name a team that gets hated on more than the Panthers...even with a winning record..

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000406571/article/nfc-south-race-who-can-you-trust-in-underwhelming-division

[SmokinwithWilly]

If they want to slam on someone for not living up to the hype, how about Peyton Manning? Great stats until he gets to the playoffs. Then he chokes. 13 playoff appearances, 3 trips to the Super Bowl, 1 win. Russell Wilson didn't win that Super Bowl, he just didn't lose it.

[SIGCHI222]

These media guys sure know how to chum the waters with this stuff.

 

[SlamminCamNewton]

This further solidifies why I don't watch the NFL Network.

[SlamminCamNewton]

Oh and whatever they were doing, the nfl network won, b/c everyone watched.

[ckad79]

From what I got out of the original article, he was suggesting that Cam stay humble. He doesn't like the Supercam thing, which I think runs a lot of people the wrong way. I've meant several people who were bothered by Cam's attitude early on. They recognized he was extremely gifted and his potential was endless, but like anybody whose self-admiration is through the roof... secretly, you kind of hope they get lost!

 

The NFL likes guys who come from nothing like Wilson and make it work. They like that story of overcoming obstacles. But when you act like you are a monster amongst child, it makes people angry.

 

Cam did a lot of this to himself early on. Yes, he has matured a lot... but memories of his attitude on the field, even if the past is the past, still rubs critics and a lot of football fans the wrong way.

 

I don't think it's entirely fair because of Kap, who is a complete tool, and considered one of the best QBs by the media. The only difference is, Kap did take his team to a SuperBowl which you can't argue. Jim McMahon again was also a d*** but again, a Super Bowl win. 

 

The fact is, no matter what you want to blame, we haven't even won a playoff game. That's a big deal when you put yourself on a high pedestal. I think if you combine that fact with his level of ego, it will always upset many people. Bottom-line is, when you put unrealistic expectations on yourself, you have to back it up with unrealistic stats. His stats now are solid, but unrealistic and inhuman? That's a stretch. I understand why the media has a hard time with him. I really do.

 

The first time i saw Cam do the Superman pose, I smiled because it made him seem so statuesque and unstoppable. BUT at the same time, I sort of saw how that might haunt him his entire career if he didn't perform to that unstoppable level day in and day out, which was really unrealistic. 

 

Fact is, if Cam had come into the NFL, stayed humble, and hit the same numbers he is hitting now... critics would consider the limitations he has on this squad because of our injuries, and put him in the top 5 QB spots guaranteed! The fact is, Cam has to be 20x better than the top 10 QBs on the current list, because that is the expectations he has put on himself.

 

[FootballMaestro]

From what I got out of the original article, he was suggesting that Cam stay humble. He doesn't like the Supercam thing, which I think runs a lot of people the wrong way. I've meant several people who were bothered by Cam's attitude early on. They recognized he was extremely gifted and his potential was endless, but like anybody whose self-admiration is through the roof... secretly, you kind of hope they get lost!

 

The NFL likes guys who come from nothing like Wilson and make it work. They like that story of overcoming obstacles. But when you act like you are a monster amongst child, it makes people angry.

 

Cam did a lot of this to himself early on. Yes, he has matured a lot... but memories of his attitude on the field, even if the past is the past, still rubs critics and a lot of football fans the wrong way.

 

I don't think it's entirely fair because of Kap, who is a complete tool, and considered one of the best QBs by the media. The only difference is, Kap did take his team to a SuperBowl which you can't argue. Jim McMahon again was also a d*** but again, a Super Bowl win. 

 

The fact is, no matter what you want to blame, we haven't even won a playoff game. That's a big deal when you put yourself on a high pedestal. I think if you combine that fact with his level of ego, it will always upset many people. Bottom-line is, when you put unrealistic expectations on yourself, you have to back it up with unrealistic stats. His stats now are solid, but unrealistic and inhuman? That's a stretch. I understand why the media has a hard time with him. I really do.

 

The first time i saw Cam do the Superman pose, I smiled because it made him seem so statuesque and unstoppable. BUT at the same time, I sort of saw how that might haunt him his entire career if he didn't perform to that unstoppable level day in and day out, which was really unrealistic. 

 

Fact is, if Cam had come into the NFL, stayed humble, and hit the same numbers he is hitting down... critics would consider the limitations he has on this squad because of our injuries, and put him in the top 5 QB spots guaranteed! The fact is, Cam has to be 20x better than the top 10 QBs on the current list, because that is the expectations he has put on himself.

 

Nonsense (amongst some of your other points)!!

 

[Who Said What?]

The others I get, but Eric Davis?  Disagree completely.

 

I might not agree with everything he says but Davis knows what he's talking about.

 

Eric Davis studders his way through segments while trying to throw in the I know because I played rhetoric.  He is terrible.  How can you pick an aging veteran who has broken the single season passing yards record as a break out player for the upcoming season?  He stays close to the obvious and when he is challenged he comes with the I played and I know line.  They used to call him the human pylon when he played and he is now the journalistic equivalent.