O-Line\No Huddle

[iamhubby1]

I think 75% is a bit too high. We need to pick our spots wisely

IMO, you can still use the no huddle without speeding the game up. Just because you are in no huddle doesn't necessarily mean you have to snap the ball with 20 seconds still on the clock.

When you get a Defense in certain personnel groupings you want to exploit, then use it. Or when you want to get Cam into a rhythm, use it. Or maybe even when the Defense is looking tired, use it to wear them out even more.

The point being, you can speed the game up, or not, using the no huddle. And it can actually help your Offense out as well.

[CAB]

The no huddle works if you can consistently move the ball and your defense can stay out on the field for long periods of time. One of the problems with teams that run the no huddle is that you might have our defense come in after giving up a 15 play drive only to get less than 2 minutes rest and back on the field.

Sure it is great with less than 2 minutes on the clock which then works because teams are more in prevent defense and you have to throw so you aren't fooling anyone by not putting out 4 receivers in coverage. But doing that all the time can backfire. I think Denver and Philly are the only teams that run the hurry up most of the time.

Thanks for that explanation! Very helpful! It is so obvious (even to me) that our rhythm is so much better when we utlilize it. I asked someone today why we didn't and their response was "because it's Shula". I appreciate the more detailed response.

[cgarsmoker]

Here's the thing with our no huddle offense....it's still a ball control offense because Cam almost always takes the clock down inside of 5 seconds when running no huddle. Anybody else notice that? Cam catches fire every time we seem to go no huddle so it should be considered earlier in games to get Cam in a rhythm.

[mrohsofunny]

How about no huddle vs constant three and outs the defense gets about the same amount of rest except we at least get three points

I've been begging for this since last year we plus cam is waaaaaay more comfortable in it

[CubsWin]

Here's the thing with our no huddle offense....it's still a ball control offense because Cam almost always takes the clock down inside of 5 seconds when running no huddle. Anybody else notice that? Cam catches fire every time we seem to go no huddle so it should be considered earlier in games to get Cam in a rhythm.

Considered?  It needs to be a mainstay of this offense.. It works, plain and simple.  This should be the default not the exception

[Kuech the Sneak]

Oline had a rough start but played pretty well overall

[mrohsofunny]

Btw did anyone see cam pull the oline to the side ride after the Olsen touchdown before the half Idk what he said but they definitely played better in the second half

[panthers55]

IMO, you can still use the no huddle without speeding the game up. Just because you are in no huddle doesn't necessarily mean you have to snap the ball with 20 seconds still on the clock.

When you get a Defense in certain personnel groupings you want to exploit, then use it. Or when you want to get Cam into a rhythm, use it. Or maybe even when the Defense is looking tired, use it to wear them out even more.

The point being, you can speed the game up, or not, using the no huddle. And it can actually help your Offense out as well.

You make a good point.  If we are playing a team that likes to substitute situationally a lot and we want to catch them with certain personnel then using the no-huddle can force them to keep the same personnel on the field which if they are D linemen can wear them out.  As you note Manning is very good as getting to the line and then taking 15 or 20 seconds calling all kinds of dummy signals while the clock runs.  We could probably do that more.  Then again if we want to build a rhythm  we could just throw the ball a few times in a row instead of running on first and second down and trying to throw on third down.  That would accomplish the same thing that happens in the hurry up where Cam seems to get better when he is throwing the ball regularly.

[Udogg]

Rivera said today that they are still a ball control TOP offense and will use no huddle as a "wrinkle" he is out of touch. Imagine if we had Chip Kelly with Cam. Why Rivera wants to stick to his guns on this is beyond me

 

Lets say he did wanted to use it more.  Would you announce it in a press conference or just say its a wrinkle?  Not saying that he is or isn't I'm just saying you don't give out philosophy changes in Monday press conferences.

[Who Said What?]

You are correct they do, the Patriots do it quite a bit as well..  My only point is this.. I've never watched this team run the no huddle and NOT be successful.  When I say "this team" I mean in the Cam era.. Am I mistaken?

 

You are not mistaken.  I believe that even when we don't go no huddle, we could speed up the tempo.  Watching the Bills game last year and the Ravens game this year, we snapped almost every play with one second on the play clock.  It was terrible.

[ThinkAboutIt]

I think we will see more no huddle in the coming weeks. For some reason it helps the oline. Probably because it tires the opposing line.

 

For some reason... hahaha, cute (sarcasm)

[ThinkAboutIt]

You are not mistaken.  I believe that even when we don't go no huddle, we could speed up the tempo.  Watching the Bills game last year and the Ravens game this year, we snapped almost every play with one second on the play clock.  It was terrible.

 

Bingo. You get it. If not for other reasons, the obvious one is why would you allow the defense to catch its breath after every play? You're the offense. You control when the play starts, lol.

[iamhubby1]

You make a good point.  If we are playing a team that likes to substitute situationally a lot and we want to catch them with certain personnel then using the no-huddle can force them to keep the same personnel on the field which if they are D linemen can wear them out.  As you note Manning is very good as getting to the line and then taking 15 or 20 seconds calling all kinds of dummy signals while the clock runs.  We could probably do that more.  Then again if we want to build a rhythm  we could just throw the ball a few times in a row instead of running on first and second down and trying to throw on third down.  That would accomplish the same thing that happens in the hurry up where Cam seems to get better when he is throwing the ball regularly.

I just have this feeling that Shula, and Rivera, trust Cam to complete the majority of his passes on 3rd down. It gives them an out for calling those pesky running plays.

But...We have been throwing the ball on 1st down more this year. So I guess I am confused as to what they really are trying to do.

We run, run, pass. We pass, run, run. We are slow and methodical, then go hurry upish. Maybe Shula is trying to confuse the Defense by doing so many different things?

All I know for sure is, Cam is having a remarkable year. Let him throw the ball a little more. Scoring points is probably just as good, if not better, than Time of Possession. Cuz we aren't a quick strike Offense even when we throw the ball.

Ah hellz, I'm too confused to know what I don't know.

[Stay Puft]

It has always been my understanding that running the no huddle tires out the offensive line.  That is its biggest drawback.  Sure, it tires out the dline as well, but neither side can substitute.  If the oline is getting down field on blocks, they have to return to the line of scrimmage and do it all over again.  The oline gets gassed doing this because it's a lot of sprinting for those big guys. That is why it is primarily used at the end of a half, or at the end of a game.  They are basically emptying the tank.  Half-time gives them a rest, and at the end of the game it doesn't matter anymore.

 

Some teams like Philly and New England may run more uptempo offenses, and they may have the personnel to do so, but I think that the biggest problem is having an oline that can execute this style of play for a long portion of a game.  I do agree it gives the offense a spark, but I think it is basically like using the afterburners.

 

I could be wrong, but that was how I always understood it.